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From: marc@dumbcat.UUCP (Marco S Hyman)
Subject: Re: Ada
Date: 18 Nov 89 06:38:49 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <121@dumbcat.UUCP> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7088@hubcap.clemson.edu

In article <7088@hubcap.clemson.edu> billwolf%hazel.cs.clemson.edu@hubcap.clemson.edu writes:
       Non-DoD US users include General Electric, 
       Boeing Commercial Airplane, etc.; other companies, such as Arthur 
       Anderson, are considering converting to Ada now that the appropriate 
       compilers and tools are available.  Not because the DoD is using it,
       but as a simple result of business and engineering considerations. 

Large corporations such ad GE, Boeing, Arthur Anderson, etc., are not known
for state-of-the-art, pushing-the-envelope solutions to their problems.
These are the companies that buy IBM.  Ada is safe, approved by the
government, and, as I once heard Larry Rossler of the HP Language Labs
describe it, doomed to success.  Too many companies are throwing money at it
to fail.

       The experience so far has been that "once a team moved to Ada,
       they stayed with Ada.  Once Ada had been successfully used within
       a company, its use proliferated to other projects within the 
       company and to subcontractors and suppliers of that company within
       the industry."  (Ada Letters, Vol. VIII, No. 5, page 15).

I don't have any facts or figures but I suspect from my own past experience
that this is true of every successful tool/method introduced to a large
corporation.  A manager that tries something new usually goes out on a limb
and therefore works twice as hard to make it succeed.  When it does succeed
that manager makes sure all of his bosses know that he was the hero that
finally brought a software project in on time and within budget.  Since
software projects are not usually on time or within budget the new
tool/method is seen as the solution to all software woes.  Alas, it's
usually just better management plus the productivity increase that comes
with doing something new that really saved the day.

I'm not saying the new tool/method, be it Ada, C++, OOP, or whatever, does
not help.  I just wish that it wasn't seen as a panacea for all that ails
the current problems in software.  (BTW:  the current problems in software
haven't changed, IMHO, in the last 20 years -- there's just a lot more
software.) But I've changed the subject.  Sorry.

C++ and Ada are just tools, folks.  Sometimes they are the correct
tool for the job.  Sometimes they are not.

// marc
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// Marco S. Hyman		{ames,pyramid,sun}!pacbell!dumbcat!marc

  parent reply	other threads:[~1989-11-18  6:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1989-11-14 21:24 A farewell to Ada Ted Holden
1989-11-14 22:54 ` schmidt
1989-11-15 16:06 ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-15 16:29   ` Ada & IBM William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-17 15:16     ` ryer
1989-11-18 18:47       ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-20  4:53       ` Jerry Callen
1989-11-19  6:05     ` Dick Dunn
1989-11-22 19:20       ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-19 20:19     ` Liam R. E. Quin
1989-11-20 12:55       ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-25 23:35         ` Liam R. E. Quin
1989-11-26  9:03           ` Ken Ritchie
1989-11-15 23:18   ` Ada Promises Doug Schmidt
1989-11-16 22:45     ` Ada compilers William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-19  6:30       ` This has gotten stupid! Dick Dunn
1989-11-16 19:08   ` Ada Walter Rowe
1989-11-16 21:33     ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-17 18:53       ` Ada Pablo Fernicola
1989-11-18 18:55         ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-21  5:24           ` Ada Andrew Koenig
1989-11-22  9:54             ` Ada Mats Luthman
1989-11-22 18:44             ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-23  9:44               ` Ada Mats Luthman
1989-11-23  7:12             ` Ada Markku Sakkinen
1989-11-21 14:35           ` Ada [and the object oriented metaphor] mjl
1989-11-22 20:54             ` Hoare, Ada, and safety/complexity John Goodenough
1989-11-24  0:38               ` Richard Pattis
1989-11-26  6:09           ` Ada vs. C++ Paul S. R. Chisholm
1989-11-18  6:38       ` Marco S Hyman [this message]
1989-11-19  7:25       ` interesting statistic Dick Dunn
1989-11-22 18:54         ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-24 17:44           ` Cay Horstmann
1989-11-25 19:59             ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-17 15:59     ` Ada allows one-char names (was Re: Ada) Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm
1989-11-19  5:52   ` Forward into the past Dick Dunn
1989-11-20 16:47   ` Ada vs. Posix -- the battle continues mjl
1989-11-20 21:51     ` Ada & Posix William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-21  1:06       ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-15 18:55 ` A farewell to Ada Richard S D'Ippolito
1989-11-17 17:19 ` Michael Schwartz
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1989-11-19  3:33 Ted Holden
1989-11-19 17:59 ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1990-03-08 18:46 ADA jj
1990-03-12  2:14 A Poor Man's Ada Library Ted Holden
1990-03-12  5:08 ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1990-03-15 20:32   ` Ada William B. Tyler
1990-03-16 14:08     ` Ada Dennis M. O'Connor
1996-06-14  0:00 ADA Robert Adams
1996-08-05  0:00 ada BCummi6553
1997-08-23  0:00 Ada Jeffrey D. Iverson
1997-10-28  0:00 Ada N6101233
1999-12-23  0:00 Ada Brijesh
1999-12-23  0:00 ` Ada reason67
1999-12-23  0:00   ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-03  0:00     ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-03  0:00       ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04  0:00         ` Ada Richard D Riehle
2000-01-04  0:00           ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04  0:00             ` Ada Robert A Duff
2000-01-04  0:00             ` Ada Richard D Riehle
2000-01-04  0:00         ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-04  0:00         ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-04  0:00           ` Ada Robert A Duff
2000-01-04  0:00             ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04  0:00           ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04  0:00         ` Ada Florian Weimer
2000-01-04  0:00           ` Ada Brian Rogoff
2000-01-04  0:00           ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04  0:00       ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-04  0:00         ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-05  0:00           ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-05  0:00             ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-06  0:00           ` Ada Al Christians
2000-01-06  0:00             ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-07  0:00             ` Ada Robert Dewar
1999-12-23  0:00 ` Ada Jon Jensen
1999-12-23  0:00 ` Ada Roger Racine
1999-12-28  0:00   ` Ada Marin D. Condic
1999-12-31  0:00     ` Ada Richard D Riehle
2000-01-02  0:00       ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-02  0:00         ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-02  0:00           ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-03  0:00             ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-03  0:00               ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-03  0:00                 ` Ada Roger Racine
2000-01-03  0:00                 ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2000-01-04  0:00                   ` Ada Charles Hixson
2000-01-03  0:00             ` Ada Ted Dennison
2000-01-13  0:00     ` Ada Magnus Alexandersson
2000-01-13  0:00     ` Ada Magnus Alexandersson
2000-01-14  0:00       ` Ada Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-01-14  0:00         ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2000-01-14  0:00           ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-14  0:00             ` Ada Magnus Alexandersson
2000-01-14  0:00               ` Ada Marin D. Condic
1999-12-23  0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
1999-12-23  0:00   ` Ada tmoran
1999-12-23  0:00 ` Ada Greg Martin
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2000-01-14  0:00                 ` Ada Andy Glew
2000-01-14  0:00                   ` Ada Chris Morgan
2000-01-14  0:00                   ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-15  0:00                     ` Ada Andy Glew
2000-01-15  0:00                       ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-15  0:00                       ` Ada Chris Morgan
2005-01-26 20:06 Ada mcf501
2005-01-26 20:24 ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-26 23:55   ` Ada Stephen Leake
2005-01-26 20:35 ` Ada Frank J. Lhota
2005-01-26 23:57   ` Ada Stephen Leake
2005-01-26 20:57 ` Ada Ludovic Brenta
2005-01-26 23:54 ` Ada Stephen Leake
2005-01-27  0:42 ` Ada Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-27  1:17   ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-27  4:43     ` Ada u_int32_t
2005-01-27  8:10       ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-27 21:01       ` Ada Björn Lundin
2005-01-27  7:57 ` Ada Frank Piron
2005-01-27 10:53   ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-27 11:05     ` Ada Frank Piron
2005-01-27 11:19     ` Ada Adrien Plisson
2005-01-28 10:27     ` Ada Stephen Leake
2005-01-27  9:12 ` Ada Martin Krischik
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