From: tsikes@netcom.com (Terry Sikes)
Subject: Re: Ada
Date: 2000/01/04
Date: 2000-01-04T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <84tj1p$r2g$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 84sudm$33s$1@nnrp1.deja.com
In article <84sudm$33s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <84rd2f$snm$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net>,
> tsikes@netcom.com (Terry Sikes) wrote:
>> For one look at "per language" programmer demand, see
>> www.lmarkets.com, which seems to show both C++ and Java
>considerably
>> ahead of VB (of course this is programmer demand, not
>programmer body
>> count).
>
>Nope, this is does not reflect programmer demand. It simply
>reflects the number of jobs that are being offered in this
>particular forum. Even if it did reflect programmer demand,
>that would say nothing about the supply (ads tend to reflect
>the surplus of demand over supply, which has nothing to do
>with total market).
You're right about the site reflecting surplus of demand over supply.
However, I find it hard to understand how the demand for VB
programmers is being filled, given that VB programming isn't in the
curriculum of most universities (also I know a couple of VB
consultants who're making good money, which doesn't indicate excessive
supply).
I'm going to contact Ted Shieh for more details about his methodology,
I thought there was more on the site, but couldn't find it.
>There are many sources for this information. One for example,
>was a keynote address from Bill Gates at a big conference
>(perhaps Comdex?) last year. There he also stated that Delphi
>was at 5%, and Java at 9% (he said he did not really believe
>the Java figure, that it probably reflected a lot of
>experimentation, and given the failure of Java to get a
>real foothold in client side programming that sounds right
>to me. This same talk put Visual basic at about 50% of
>PC development, and that also sounds about right to me,
>with C/C++ being about 15%.
50% of Windows (not PC) development, even if true, ignores major
market segments:
o embedded systems
o Unix/mainframe server-side (this has picked up recently;)
o Mac
o Linux
I think you're underestimating the amount of C/C++ even on the Windows
side, also. Bill has some level of vested interest in promoting VB,
after all.
>Ada did not get mentioned, but even if it was at what
>(for me) would seem a very high level of 1% of all PC
>development, it would have been under Bill's radar screen :-)
Probably.
>To get a feel for the Visual Basic market, have a look at the
>catalogs of Active-X (now COM) components. Yes, these components
>can be used in Visual C++ (and for that matter in Ada programs
>written with GNAT :-) but the primary use of these components
>is in the visual basic world.
As you say, they are compiler-neutral. I think that the Windows
component marketplace has been VBs biggest success... :-) Linux
would benefit from a similar feature - or if Java ever gets efficient
enough, Java Beans are an alternative.
Terry
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1999-12-23 0:00 Ada Brijesh
1999-12-23 0:00 ` Ada Roger Racine
1999-12-28 0:00 ` Ada Marin D. Condic
1999-12-31 0:00 ` Ada Richard D Riehle
2000-01-02 0:00 ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-02 0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-02 0:00 ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-03 0:00 ` Ada Ted Dennison
2000-01-03 0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-03 0:00 ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-03 0:00 ` Ada Roger Racine
2000-01-03 0:00 ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Charles Hixson
2000-01-13 0:00 ` Ada Magnus Alexandersson
2000-01-13 0:00 ` Ada Magnus Alexandersson
2000-01-14 0:00 ` Ada Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-01-14 0:00 ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2000-01-14 0:00 ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-14 0:00 ` Ada Magnus Alexandersson
2000-01-14 0:00 ` Ada Marin D. Condic
1999-12-23 0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
1999-12-23 0:00 ` Ada tmoran
1999-12-23 0:00 ` Ada Jon Jensen
1999-12-23 0:00 ` Ada Greg Martin
1999-12-23 0:00 ` Ada reason67
1999-12-23 0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-03 0:00 ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-03 0:00 ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Florian Weimer
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Brian Rogoff
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Robert A Duff
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Richard D Riehle
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Robert A Duff
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Richard D Riehle
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Operators -> unit analysis Charles Hixson
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-01-06 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
2000-01-06 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
2000-01-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-01-08 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-01-10 0:00 ` Operator precedence--was " Howard W. LUDWIG
2000-01-14 0:00 ` Mark A Biggar
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
2000-01-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-01-06 0:00 ` Terry Sikes
2000-01-06 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Terry Sikes
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
2000-01-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-01-10 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
2000-01-10 0:00 ` Florian Weimer
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-04 0:00 ` Terry Sikes [this message]
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-05 0:00 ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-06 0:00 ` Ada Al Christians
2000-01-06 0:00 ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-07 0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
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2005-01-26 20:06 Ada mcf501
2005-01-26 20:24 ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-26 23:55 ` Ada Stephen Leake
2005-01-26 20:35 ` Ada Frank J. Lhota
2005-01-26 23:57 ` Ada Stephen Leake
2005-01-26 20:57 ` Ada Ludovic Brenta
2005-01-26 23:54 ` Ada Stephen Leake
2005-01-27 0:42 ` Ada Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-27 1:17 ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-27 4:43 ` Ada u_int32_t
2005-01-27 8:10 ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-27 21:01 ` Ada Björn Lundin
2005-01-27 7:57 ` Ada Frank Piron
2005-01-27 10:53 ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-27 11:05 ` Ada Frank Piron
2005-01-27 11:19 ` Ada Adrien Plisson
2005-01-28 10:27 ` Ada Stephen Leake
2005-01-27 9:12 ` Ada Martin Krischik
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2000-01-14 0:00 ` Ada Andy Glew
2000-01-14 0:00 ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-15 0:00 ` Ada Andy Glew
2000-01-15 0:00 ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-15 0:00 ` Ada Chris Morgan
2000-01-14 0:00 ` Ada Chris Morgan
1997-10-28 0:00 Ada N6101233
1997-08-23 0:00 Ada Jeffrey D. Iverson
1996-08-05 0:00 ada BCummi6553
1996-06-14 0:00 ADA Robert Adams
1990-03-12 2:14 A Poor Man's Ada Library Ted Holden
1990-03-12 5:08 ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
1990-03-15 20:32 ` Ada William B. Tyler
1990-03-16 14:08 ` Ada Dennis M. O'Connor
1990-03-08 18:46 ADA jj
1989-11-19 3:33 A farewell to Ada Ted Holden
1989-11-19 17:59 ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
1989-11-14 21:24 A farewell to Ada Ted Holden
1989-11-15 16:06 ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
1989-11-16 19:08 ` Ada Walter Rowe
1989-11-16 21:33 ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
1989-11-17 18:53 ` Ada Pablo Fernicola
1989-11-18 18:55 ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
1989-11-21 5:24 ` Ada Andrew Koenig
1989-11-22 9:54 ` Ada Mats Luthman
1989-11-22 18:44 ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
1989-11-23 9:44 ` Ada Mats Luthman
1989-11-23 7:12 ` Ada Markku Sakkinen
1989-11-18 6:38 ` Ada Marco S Hyman
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