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From: "Marin D. Condic" <mcondic-nospam@quadruscorp.com>
Subject: Re: Ada
Date: 1999/12/28
Date: 1999-12-28T19:23:34+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <38690E47.7DBDC2D1@quadruscorp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 386216c3.172629337@news.draper.com

Roger Racine wrote:
> 2) Time to Market.  Ada is a readable language.  C is a writeable
> language.  People think they are more productive using C because they
> get to integration faster, and they might get a software system to
> market sooner than with Ada.  Ada will allow people to find certain
> errors more easily, but this is not perceived to be a significant
> enough improvement, and for most commercial software, getting all the
> bugs out is not necessary to getting a product out.
> 
I beg to differ - sort of. In many systems Ada gets you to market sooner
with fewer problems. Assuming skilled programmers in each case. Where
C/C++ has an edge is in areas where you get tons of reusable libraries
with it, such as in Visual C++. But this is just one type of system
development. I've been playing with the CLAW GUI builder demo and found
that it will build Ada GUI programs quite easily, so it isn't as if Ada
*can't* do it - just that it isn't as easily marketed. If you got CLAW,
a compiler, a bunch of utilities (Similar to MFC? Where is the ACLWG
these days anyway?) manuals, tutorials, a book, a configuration
management system, etc. all in one package it might compete well in the
"Time To Market" field. All these things exist, but not as a single, one
stop shopping, package. (Maybe a teaming effort is needed?)


> 5) Tools.  Books, compilers, development environments, are all more
> available and cheaper for C than for Ada.  I can go into a local

Definitely. I was recently at a big electronics store in San Jose and
looked through their stacks of books relating to programming &
languages. Hundreds of books available on C, C++, Perl, Cobol, etc. Not
a single text on Ada, even though many good ones exist. It is sort of a
deadlock situation - The store doesn't want to stock something for which
there won't be a reasonable level of sales. The potential vendors don't
want to subsidize it because revenues are too thin to do so. The
potential users have little interest because it isn't just sitting right
there waiting for them to pick it up. The deadlock continues.

Now potentially, it would be possible for some of the vendors to get
together to produce an integrated package with each supplying some part
of the end product. A joint venture would spread the risk and might
bring sufficient resources to bear to actually put up a shrink-wrapped
package on a display rack on the floor of a few computer stores. Done
right with a sufficiently narrow focus, it could succeed and make
everyone a few bucks while making Ada a bit more prevalent. I'd
certainly be interested in discussing it... ;-)

MDC
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  reply	other threads:[~1999-12-28  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-12-23  0:00 Ada Brijesh
1999-12-23  0:00 ` Ada reason67
1999-12-23  0:00   ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-03  0:00     ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-03  0:00       ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04  0:00         ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-05  0:00           ` Operators -> unit analysis Charles Hixson
2000-01-05  0:00             ` Hyman Rosen
2000-01-05  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
2000-01-05  0:00             ` Pat Rogers
2000-01-05  0:00               ` Charles Hixson
2000-01-05  0:00             ` Ted Dennison
2000-01-06  0:00               ` Samuel T. Harris
2000-01-07  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
2000-01-07  0:00                   ` Ted Dennison
2000-01-07  0:00                     ` Brian Rogoff
2000-01-07  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
2000-01-07  0:00                     ` Matthew Heaney
2000-01-08  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
2000-01-08  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
2000-01-10  0:00                       ` Operator precedence--was " Howard W. LUDWIG
2000-01-14  0:00                         ` Mark A Biggar
2000-01-06  0:00               ` Charles Hixson
2000-01-05  0:00             ` Matthew Heaney
2000-01-05  0:00               ` Charles Hixson
2000-01-06  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
2000-01-06  0:00               ` Terry Sikes
2000-01-06  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
2000-01-07  0:00                   ` Terry Sikes
2000-01-07  0:00                     ` Brian Rogoff
2000-01-07  0:00                 ` Ted Dennison
2000-01-07  0:00                   ` Tucker Taft
2000-01-08  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
2000-01-10  0:00                       ` Tucker Taft
2000-01-10  0:00                         ` Florian Weimer
2000-01-04  0:00         ` Ada Richard D Riehle
2000-01-04  0:00           ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04  0:00             ` Ada Richard D Riehle
2000-01-04  0:00             ` Ada Robert A Duff
2000-01-04  0:00         ` Ada Florian Weimer
2000-01-04  0:00           ` Ada Brian Rogoff
2000-01-04  0:00           ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04  0:00         ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-04  0:00           ` Ada Robert A Duff
2000-01-04  0:00             ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04  0:00           ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04  0:00       ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-04  0:00         ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-05  0:00           ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-05  0:00             ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-06  0:00           ` Ada Al Christians
2000-01-06  0:00             ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-07  0:00             ` Ada Robert Dewar
1999-12-23  0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
1999-12-23  0:00   ` Ada tmoran
1999-12-23  0:00 ` Ada Roger Racine
1999-12-28  0:00   ` Marin D. Condic [this message]
1999-12-31  0:00     ` Ada Richard D Riehle
2000-01-02  0:00       ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-02  0:00         ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-02  0:00           ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-03  0:00             ` Ada Ted Dennison
2000-01-03  0:00             ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-03  0:00               ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-03  0:00                 ` Ada Roger Racine
2000-01-03  0:00                 ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2000-01-04  0:00                   ` Ada Charles Hixson
2000-01-13  0:00     ` Ada Magnus Alexandersson
2000-01-13  0:00     ` Ada Magnus Alexandersson
2000-01-14  0:00       ` Ada Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-01-14  0:00         ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2000-01-14  0:00           ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-14  0:00             ` Ada Magnus Alexandersson
2000-01-14  0:00               ` Ada Marin D. Condic
1999-12-23  0:00 ` Ada Jon Jensen
1999-12-23  0:00 ` Ada Greg Martin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-01-26 20:06 Ada mcf501
2005-01-26 20:24 ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-26 23:55   ` Ada Stephen Leake
2005-01-26 20:35 ` Ada Frank J. Lhota
2005-01-26 23:57   ` Ada Stephen Leake
2005-01-26 20:57 ` Ada Ludovic Brenta
2005-01-26 23:54 ` Ada Stephen Leake
2005-01-27  0:42 ` Ada Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-27  1:17   ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-27  4:43     ` Ada u_int32_t
2005-01-27  8:10       ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-27 21:01       ` Ada Björn Lundin
2005-01-27  7:57 ` Ada Frank Piron
2005-01-27 10:53   ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-27 11:05     ` Ada Frank Piron
2005-01-27 11:19     ` Ada Adrien Plisson
2005-01-28 10:27     ` Ada Stephen Leake
2005-01-27  9:12 ` Ada Martin Krischik
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     [not found]               ` <y4wvpdknsm.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
2000-01-14  0:00                 ` Ada Andy Glew
2000-01-14  0:00                   ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-15  0:00                     ` Ada Andy Glew
2000-01-15  0:00                       ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-15  0:00                       ` Ada Chris Morgan
2000-01-14  0:00                   ` Ada Chris Morgan
1997-10-28  0:00 Ada N6101233
1997-08-23  0:00 Ada Jeffrey D. Iverson
1996-08-05  0:00 ada BCummi6553
1996-06-14  0:00 ADA Robert Adams
1990-03-12  2:14 A Poor Man's Ada Library Ted Holden
1990-03-12  5:08 ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1990-03-15 20:32   ` Ada William B. Tyler
1990-03-16 14:08     ` Ada Dennis M. O'Connor
1990-03-08 18:46 ADA jj
1989-11-19  3:33 A farewell to Ada Ted Holden
1989-11-19 17:59 ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-14 21:24 A farewell to Ada Ted Holden
1989-11-15 16:06 ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-16 19:08   ` Ada Walter Rowe
1989-11-16 21:33     ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-17 18:53       ` Ada Pablo Fernicola
1989-11-18 18:55         ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-21  5:24           ` Ada Andrew Koenig
1989-11-22  9:54             ` Ada Mats Luthman
1989-11-22 18:44             ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-23  9:44               ` Ada Mats Luthman
1989-11-23  7:12             ` Ada Markku Sakkinen
1989-11-18  6:38       ` Ada Marco S Hyman
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