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From: tsikes@netcom.com (Terry Sikes)
Subject: Re: Ada
Date: 2000/01/05
Date: 2000-01-05T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <84vrt5$ljo$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 84uk54$6jl$1@nnrp1.deja.com

In article <84uk54$6jl$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Robert Dewar  <robert_dewar@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <84tj1p$r2g$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net>,
>  tsikes@netcom.com (Terry Sikes) wrote:
>
>> o  embedded systems
>
>This is a very small sliver of the total development market

I'd be interested in knowing how "small" - there are a ton of
products with embedded microprocessors.

>> o  Unix/mainframe server-side  (this has picked up recently;)
>
>Still a small player development wise compared to PC's

Really?  You think the total number of development dollars spent on
server-side software is "small" compared to client side?  Even with
the Internet taking off?

>> o  Mac
>
>This is a VERY small fraction of the total PC development
>effort.

Macs are sitting at around 5% market share right now, and I'd guess
more development is done on them, percentage-wise, than is done on
Windows.

>> o  Linux
>
>Getting larger, but still dwarfed by PC's

Well, Linux installs are hard to measure, but I'd heard a figure of
10,000,000+ over a year ago.  The thing is though, that a very high
percentage of Linux boxes are development boxes.

>> I think you're underestimating the amount of C/C++ even on the
>> Windows side, also.
>
>Most university trained people *over* estimate the amount of
>C and C++, precisely because they don't know the widely
>used languages (COBOL and Visual Basic).

Although there are some, I think you'll find the numbers of PC COBOL
programmers to be quite small...  ;-)

As to VB, I agree its widely used...but I still think that C/C++
account for more than 15% of Windows development dollars.

>> Bill has some level of vested interest in promoting VB,
>> after all.
>
>Well I don't think he cares too much if people use VB or
>visual C++. What is interesting about his figures is the
>Delphi and Java figures, which he *does* care about :-)

C'mon, Bill has a soft spot for BASIC.  ;-)

Delphi has its good points, but just think if it had been implemented
in Ada95 instead of Object Pascal...

At any rate, its fairly pointless to discuss language marketshare
without better figures - anyone have any?

Terry
--
tsikes@netcom.com




  reply	other threads:[~2000-01-05  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-12-23  0:00 Ada Brijesh
1999-12-23  0:00 ` Ada Greg Martin
1999-12-23  0:00 ` Ada Robert Dewar
1999-12-23  0:00   ` Ada tmoran
1999-12-23  0:00 ` Ada Roger Racine
1999-12-28  0:00   ` Ada Marin D. Condic
1999-12-31  0:00     ` Ada Richard D Riehle
2000-01-02  0:00       ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-02  0:00         ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-02  0:00           ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-03  0:00             ` Ada Ted Dennison
2000-01-03  0:00             ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-03  0:00               ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-03  0:00                 ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2000-01-04  0:00                   ` Ada Charles Hixson
2000-01-03  0:00                 ` Ada Roger Racine
2000-01-13  0:00     ` Ada Magnus Alexandersson
2000-01-14  0:00       ` Ada Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-01-14  0:00         ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2000-01-14  0:00           ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-14  0:00             ` Ada Magnus Alexandersson
2000-01-14  0:00               ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-13  0:00     ` Ada Magnus Alexandersson
1999-12-23  0:00 ` Ada Jon Jensen
1999-12-23  0:00 ` Ada reason67
1999-12-23  0:00   ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-03  0:00     ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-03  0:00       ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04  0:00         ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-04  0:00           ` Ada Robert A Duff
2000-01-04  0:00             ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04  0:00           ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04  0:00         ` Ada Florian Weimer
2000-01-04  0:00           ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04  0:00           ` Ada Brian Rogoff
2000-01-04  0:00         ` Ada Richard D Riehle
2000-01-04  0:00           ` Ada Hyman Rosen
2000-01-04  0:00             ` Ada Richard D Riehle
2000-01-04  0:00             ` Ada Robert A Duff
2000-01-04  0:00         ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-05  0:00           ` Operators -> unit analysis Charles Hixson
2000-01-05  0:00             ` Pat Rogers
2000-01-05  0:00               ` Charles Hixson
2000-01-05  0:00             ` Ted Dennison
2000-01-06  0:00               ` Samuel T. Harris
2000-01-07  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
2000-01-07  0:00                   ` Ted Dennison
2000-01-07  0:00                     ` Brian Rogoff
2000-01-07  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
2000-01-07  0:00                     ` Matthew Heaney
2000-01-08  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
2000-01-08  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
2000-01-10  0:00                       ` Operator precedence--was " Howard W. LUDWIG
2000-01-14  0:00                         ` Mark A Biggar
2000-01-06  0:00               ` Charles Hixson
2000-01-05  0:00             ` Matthew Heaney
2000-01-05  0:00               ` Charles Hixson
2000-01-05  0:00             ` Hyman Rosen
2000-01-05  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
2000-01-06  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
2000-01-06  0:00               ` Terry Sikes
2000-01-06  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
2000-01-07  0:00                   ` Terry Sikes
2000-01-07  0:00                     ` Brian Rogoff
2000-01-07  0:00                 ` Ted Dennison
2000-01-07  0:00                   ` Tucker Taft
2000-01-08  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
2000-01-10  0:00                       ` Tucker Taft
2000-01-10  0:00                         ` Florian Weimer
2000-01-04  0:00       ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-04  0:00         ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-05  0:00           ` Ada Robert Dewar
2000-01-05  0:00             ` Terry Sikes [this message]
2000-01-06  0:00           ` Ada Al Christians
2000-01-06  0:00             ` Ada Terry Sikes
2000-01-07  0:00             ` Ada Robert Dewar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-01-26 20:06 Ada mcf501
2005-01-26 20:24 ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-26 23:55   ` Ada Stephen Leake
2005-01-26 20:35 ` Ada Frank J. Lhota
2005-01-26 23:57   ` Ada Stephen Leake
2005-01-26 20:57 ` Ada Ludovic Brenta
2005-01-26 23:54 ` Ada Stephen Leake
2005-01-27  0:42 ` Ada Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-27  1:17   ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-27  4:43     ` Ada u_int32_t
2005-01-27  8:10       ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-27 21:01       ` Ada Björn Lundin
2005-01-27  7:57 ` Ada Frank Piron
2005-01-27 10:53   ` Ada Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-27 11:05     ` Ada Frank Piron
2005-01-27 11:19     ` Ada Adrien Plisson
2005-01-28 10:27     ` Ada Stephen Leake
2005-01-27  9:12 ` Ada Martin Krischik
     [not found] <MPG.12c98531dcc142319896ce@news.uci.kun.nl>
     [not found] ` <83reu2$2soi$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu>
     [not found]   ` <38615cc4.22862595@news.shuswap.net>
     [not found]     ` <84dnsu$g69@nnrp1.farm.idt.net>
     [not found]       ` <84drm7$ss8$1@news.rchland.ibm.com>
     [not found]         ` <855lqp$t2@nnrp4.farm.idt.net>
     [not found]           ` <ey3vh54ybxh.fsf@cley.com>
     [not found]             ` <85l4kt$e9q@nnrp1.farm.idt.net>
     [not found]               ` <y4wvpdknsm.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
2000-01-14  0:00                 ` Ada Andy Glew
2000-01-14  0:00                   ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-15  0:00                     ` Ada Andy Glew
2000-01-15  0:00                       ` Ada Chris Morgan
2000-01-15  0:00                       ` Ada Marin D. Condic
2000-01-14  0:00                   ` Ada Chris Morgan
1997-10-28  0:00 Ada N6101233
1997-08-23  0:00 Ada Jeffrey D. Iverson
1996-08-05  0:00 ada BCummi6553
1996-06-14  0:00 ADA Robert Adams
1990-03-12  2:14 A Poor Man's Ada Library Ted Holden
1990-03-12  5:08 ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1990-03-15 20:32   ` Ada William B. Tyler
1990-03-16 14:08     ` Ada Dennis M. O'Connor
1990-03-08 18:46 ADA jj
1989-11-19  3:33 A farewell to Ada Ted Holden
1989-11-19 17:59 ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-14 21:24 A farewell to Ada Ted Holden
1989-11-15 16:06 ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-16 19:08   ` Ada Walter Rowe
1989-11-16 21:33     ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-17 18:53       ` Ada Pablo Fernicola
1989-11-18 18:55         ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-21  5:24           ` Ada Andrew Koenig
1989-11-22  9:54             ` Ada Mats Luthman
1989-11-22 18:44             ` Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1989-11-23  9:44               ` Ada Mats Luthman
1989-11-23  7:12             ` Ada Markku Sakkinen
1989-11-18  6:38       ` Ada Marco S Hyman
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