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From: dewar@cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: Easily-Read C++?
Date: 11 Oct 1994 14:52:10 -0400
Date: 1994-10-11T14:52:10-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <37emsq$smg@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1994Oct11.090047.9190@sei.cmu.edu

Robert (Firth), you didn't look at my question quite carefully enough.
Of course it can be the case that ++c clobbers a value stored by someone
else, but I asked the following:

is it permissible for ++c to STORE a different value from what it returns?

Now of course on all machines, as illustrated by your second code example
(which is really the only possibility on all RISC machines, and is the
best code on all modern machines), it is possible to generate code so
the answer is NO

    x := x + 1; (x left in a register)
    (use the value in the register)

I would expect that this code is what is generated by most C compilers. The
only possible exception is on CISC machines with increment memory or add to
memory instructions, when in fact it certainly can answer YES to my question,
as illustrated by the first example.

Reading the C standard clearly does not answer my question, so we must
presume that the two sequences of code have quite a different effect.

Note that we ought to assume that the variable involved is volatile, and
you would expect that a volatile variable would be accessed in a
comprehensible canonical style (this is certainly true in Ada), but the
++c and c++ constructs definitely mean that even if c is volatile you
don't know how often it is read and written.

I certainly agree with your parting thought! (how can anyone write
parallel code in C that is portabl).




  parent reply	other threads:[~1994-10-11 18:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1994-10-05  3:00 Easily-Read C++? Ken Garlington
1994-10-05  9:42 ` Pierre Castori
1994-10-05 13:28   ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-06  2:20     ` Benjamin Ketcham
     [not found]     ` <CxDL8H.KGE@csn.org>
     [not found]       ` <milodCxH2E4.7F4@netcom.com>
     [not found]         ` <CxHJv0.Kw0@csn.org>
1994-10-12 17:03           ` John DiCamillo
     [not found]           ` <DAG.94Oct11080229@bellman.control.lth.se>
     [not found]             ` <37du0k$ir2@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
1994-10-12  3:19               ` Attractive comments better? R_Tim_Coslet
1994-10-13  1:35               ` Michael Feldman
1994-10-05 14:26 ` Easily-Read C++? Eric S. Sessoms
1994-10-05 17:47 ` Kevin Cline
1994-10-05 22:02   ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-05 22:23     ` Richard Kenner
     [not found]       ` <124377@cup.portal.com>
1994-10-11 18:11         ` David Weller
1994-10-11 18:43         ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-12 13:15           ` Norman H. Cohen
1994-10-12 14:10             ` Robert Firth
1994-10-13 19:33             ` John D. Reading
1994-10-13  0:51         ` Keith Thompson @pulsar
1994-10-05 18:24 ` Magnus Kempe
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     [not found]   ` <371a3p$nos@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
     [not found]     ` <1994Oct7.153254.29848@swlvx2.msd.ray.com>
     [not found]       ` <374uke$8mo@delphi.cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]         ` <37bno4$ko4@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
1994-10-11 13:00           ` Robert Firth
1994-10-11 13:44             ` Casper H.S. Dik
1994-10-11 19:03               ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-12 16:38               ` John DiCamillo
1994-10-11 18:52             ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1994-10-12 13:49               ` Norman H. Cohen
     [not found]           ` <37eej8$6ie@siberia.gatech.edu>
1994-10-11 18:55             ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-12 13:35               ` John M. Mills
1994-10-12 19:48                 ` Robert Dewar
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     [not found]           ` <DAG.94Oct10075533@bellman.control.lth.se>
1994-10-11 17:50             ` Norman H. Cohen
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     [not found]       ` <CxBvq7.GrH@inmet.camb.inmet.com>
     [not found]         ` <37bnic$kj2@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
1994-10-11 18:02           ` Norman H. Cohen
     [not found] ` <1994Oct7.110309@di.epfl.ch>
     [not found]   ` <DAG.94Oct7204142@bellman.control.lth.se>
     [not found]     ` <1994Oct7.210111.4494@nosc.mil>
     [not found]       ` <374i3o$c87@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
1994-10-12 17:37         ` "Tag" (Was: Easily-Read C++? (NOT)) David Emery
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     [not found] ` <85C92963672@annwfn.com>
1994-10-11 18:37   ` Easily-Read C++? Norman H. Cohen
1994-10-12 16:54     ` David Emery
1994-10-14 21:13       ` Kevin Cline
1994-10-21 14:38         ` Thomas M. Breuel
1994-10-22  3:10           ` Michael M. Bishop
1994-10-26  0:39             ` -mlc-+Schilling J.
1994-10-27 14:54               ` Bob Duff
1994-10-27 15:35                 ` Richard Kenner
1994-10-27 23:09                 ` Robert Dewar
1994-11-01 21:19                 ` Adam Beneschan
1994-11-02  0:46                   ` Bob Duff
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1994-10-12  3:06 Easily-Read C++ Ken Garlington
1994-10-14 10:50 Easily-Read C++? Bob Wells #402
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