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From: ncohen@watson.ibm.com (Norman H. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Easily-Read C++?
Date: 12 Oct 1994 13:49:51 GMT
Date: 1994-10-12T13:49:51+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <37gphv$nbt@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 37emsq$smg@gnat.cs.nyu.edu

In article <37emsq$smg@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>, dewar@cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
writes: 

|> is it permissible for ++c to STORE a different value from what it returns?
...
|> Reading the C standard clearly does not answer my question, so we must
|> presume that the two sequences of code have quite a different effect.

Actually, the C standard clearly indicates that this can happen even in
circumstances that do not involve concurrency.  The second paragraph of
ANSI C section 3.3 (which I think of as the ANSI C answer to Ada RM
section 11.6, at least in its ability to keep language lawyers busy
trying to interpret it) states: 

        Between the previous and next sequence point an object shall have
   its stored value modified at most once by the evaluation of an
   expression.  Furthermore, the prior value shall be accessed only to
   determine the value stored.[34]

   -------

   [Footnote 34] This paragraph renders undefined statement expressions
   such as

      i = ++i + 1;

   while allowing

      i = i + 1;

Sequence points are defined syntactically.  They include, for example,
the points after the evaluation of the left operand of the &&, ||, and
comma operators and the ends of statements.  The definition appears to me
to presume a single-threaded model of execution.

I suspect that a large portion of the C code in the field has technically
undefined semantics because it violates the quoted paragraph.

--
Norman H. Cohen    ncohen@watson.ibm.com



  reply	other threads:[~1994-10-12 13:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1994-10-05  3:00 Easily-Read C++? Ken Garlington
1994-10-05  9:42 ` Pierre Castori
1994-10-05 13:28   ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-06  2:20     ` Benjamin Ketcham
     [not found]     ` <CxDL8H.KGE@csn.org>
     [not found]       ` <milodCxH2E4.7F4@netcom.com>
     [not found]         ` <CxHJv0.Kw0@csn.org>
1994-10-12 17:03           ` John DiCamillo
     [not found]           ` <DAG.94Oct11080229@bellman.control.lth.se>
     [not found]             ` <37du0k$ir2@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
1994-10-12  3:19               ` Attractive comments better? R_Tim_Coslet
1994-10-13  1:35               ` Michael Feldman
1994-10-05 14:26 ` Easily-Read C++? Eric S. Sessoms
1994-10-05 17:47 ` Kevin Cline
1994-10-05 22:02   ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-05 22:23     ` Richard Kenner
     [not found]       ` <124377@cup.portal.com>
1994-10-11 18:11         ` David Weller
1994-10-11 18:43         ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-12 13:15           ` Norman H. Cohen
1994-10-12 14:10             ` Robert Firth
1994-10-13 19:33             ` John D. Reading
1994-10-13  0:51         ` Keith Thompson @pulsar
1994-10-05 18:24 ` Magnus Kempe
     [not found] ` <EACHUS.94Oct6101347@spectre.mitre.org>
     [not found]   ` <371a3p$nos@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
     [not found]     ` <1994Oct7.153254.29848@swlvx2.msd.ray.com>
     [not found]       ` <374uke$8mo@delphi.cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]         ` <37bno4$ko4@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
1994-10-11 13:00           ` Robert Firth
1994-10-11 13:44             ` Casper H.S. Dik
1994-10-11 19:03               ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-12 16:38               ` John DiCamillo
1994-10-11 18:52             ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-12 13:49               ` Norman H. Cohen [this message]
     [not found]           ` <37eej8$6ie@siberia.gatech.edu>
1994-10-11 18:55             ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-12 13:35               ` John M. Mills
1994-10-12 19:48                 ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]         ` <CxFr5B.K1G@news.otago.ac.nz>
     [not found]           ` <DAG.94Oct10075533@bellman.control.lth.se>
1994-10-11 17:50             ` Norman H. Cohen
     [not found]     ` <373vd2$39n@theopolis.orl.mmc.com>
     [not found]       ` <CxBvq7.GrH@inmet.camb.inmet.com>
     [not found]         ` <37bnic$kj2@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
1994-10-11 18:02           ` Norman H. Cohen
     [not found] ` <1994Oct7.110309@di.epfl.ch>
     [not found]   ` <DAG.94Oct7204142@bellman.control.lth.se>
     [not found]     ` <1994Oct7.210111.4494@nosc.mil>
     [not found]       ` <374i3o$c87@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
1994-10-12 17:37         ` "Tag" (Was: Easily-Read C++? (NOT)) David Emery
     [not found] <3719k1$11gt@watnews1.watson.ibm.com>
     [not found] ` <85C92963672@annwfn.com>
1994-10-11 18:37   ` Easily-Read C++? Norman H. Cohen
1994-10-12 16:54     ` David Emery
1994-10-14 21:13       ` Kevin Cline
1994-10-21 14:38         ` Thomas M. Breuel
1994-10-22  3:10           ` Michael M. Bishop
1994-10-26  0:39             ` -mlc-+Schilling J.
1994-10-27 14:54               ` Bob Duff
1994-10-27 15:35                 ` Richard Kenner
1994-10-27 23:09                 ` Robert Dewar
1994-11-01 21:19                 ` Adam Beneschan
1994-11-02  0:46                   ` Bob Duff
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1994-10-12  3:06 Easily-Read C++ Ken Garlington
1994-10-14 10:50 Easily-Read C++? Bob Wells #402
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