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From: dewar@cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: Easily-Read C++?
Date: 11 Oct 1994 15:03:13 -0400
Date: 1994-10-11T15:03:13-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <37enhh$so6@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 37e4ri$7es@mail.fwi.uva.nl

Casper, you say that shared access to global data requires locking. This
plain isn't true, there are all sorts of algorithms that work fine with
shared variables. THe purpose of volatile (in either Ada or C/C++) and of
atomic in Ada, is precisely to facilitate this kind of usage. Sure in
some sense it is cleaner not to use shared variables (in another context
we would say it is cleaner not to use global variables, or even, if you
are a functional programming fan, that it is cleaner not to use *any*
variables).

However, both C and Ada recognize that in certain cases, the use of shared
variables is useful and legitimate (a bounded buffer with one consumer and
one producer is a classical case, see for example the coding of the keyboard
buffer in the PC BIOS).

THe point is that Ada's definition is considerably more secure that C/C++
here. That's the original point I was making. Ada naturally has to worry
about non-sequential semantics, since the standard includes non-sequential
execution. In the C standard however, there is no serious consideration of
concurrent semantics (that's what I mean by non-sequential here) because
the language itself has no such notion. However, lots of C programs do
have multiple threads and concurrent execution, and in such contexts, 
asking what is atomic, and how many times volatile variables are accessed
is of semantic significance.

Actually even in the absence of concurrent semantics, if a volatile
variable refers to a memory mapped I/O location, it may be quite important
to know how many times a variable is referenced, since the references may
have external semantic effects.

Of course a cautious programmer will simply avoid the use of ++mem for
such a variable, but it is a little uncomfortable for things to be so
ill-defined.




  reply	other threads:[~1994-10-11 19:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1994-10-05  3:00 Easily-Read C++? Ken Garlington
1994-10-05  9:42 ` Pierre Castori
1994-10-05 13:28   ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-06  2:20     ` Benjamin Ketcham
     [not found]     ` <CxDL8H.KGE@csn.org>
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     [not found]         ` <CxHJv0.Kw0@csn.org>
     [not found]           ` <DAG.94Oct11080229@bellman.control.lth.se>
     [not found]             ` <37du0k$ir2@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
1994-10-12  3:19               ` Attractive comments better? R_Tim_Coslet
1994-10-13  1:35               ` Michael Feldman
1994-10-12 17:03           ` Easily-Read C++? John DiCamillo
1994-10-05 14:26 ` Eric S. Sessoms
1994-10-05 17:47 ` Kevin Cline
1994-10-05 22:02   ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-05 22:23     ` Richard Kenner
     [not found]       ` <124377@cup.portal.com>
1994-10-11 18:11         ` David Weller
1994-10-11 18:43         ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-12 13:15           ` Norman H. Cohen
1994-10-12 14:10             ` Robert Firth
1994-10-13 19:33             ` John D. Reading
1994-10-13  0:51         ` Keith Thompson @pulsar
1994-10-05 18:24 ` Magnus Kempe
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     [not found]   ` <371a3p$nos@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
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     [not found]       ` <374uke$8mo@delphi.cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]         ` <37bno4$ko4@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
1994-10-11 13:00           ` Robert Firth
1994-10-11 13:44             ` Casper H.S. Dik
1994-10-11 19:03               ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1994-10-12 16:38               ` John DiCamillo
1994-10-11 18:52             ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-12 13:49               ` Norman H. Cohen
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1994-10-11 18:55             ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-12 13:35               ` John M. Mills
1994-10-12 19:48                 ` Robert Dewar
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1994-10-11 17:50             ` Norman H. Cohen
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     [not found]         ` <37bnic$kj2@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
1994-10-11 18:02           ` Norman H. Cohen
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1994-10-12 17:37         ` "Tag" (Was: Easily-Read C++? (NOT)) David Emery
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1994-10-11 18:37   ` Easily-Read C++? Norman H. Cohen
1994-10-12 16:54     ` David Emery
1994-10-14 21:13       ` Kevin Cline
1994-10-21 14:38         ` Thomas M. Breuel
1994-10-22  3:10           ` Michael M. Bishop
1994-10-26  0:39             ` -mlc-+Schilling J.
1994-10-27 14:54               ` Bob Duff
1994-10-27 15:35                 ` Richard Kenner
1994-10-27 23:09                 ` Robert Dewar
1994-11-01 21:19                 ` Adam Beneschan
1994-11-02  0:46                   ` Bob Duff
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1994-10-12  3:06 Easily-Read C++ Ken Garlington
1994-10-14 10:50 Easily-Read C++? Bob Wells #402
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