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From: mfeldman@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Feldman)
Subject: Re: Attractive comments better?
Date: 12 Oct 1994 21:35:30 -0400
Date: 1994-10-12T21:35:30-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <37i2t2$o94@felix.seas.gwu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 37du0k$ir2@gnat.cs.nyu.edu

In article <37du0k$ir2@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>, Robert Dewar <dewar@cs.nyu.edu> wrote:

>Note that I am perfectly aware that some C/C++ programmers fully understand
>the structural importance of headers, but a distressing amount of code, even
>on large systems, is written without this awareness, and the headers are
>an uncommented mess.

And an amazing number of C books do not even take cognizance of the
notion that a header file can be used for this purpose (equivalent
to an Ada spec). I went shopping for intro C books recently, to find
one I could use in my file structures course, in which I'm easing the
students from Ada to "C with an Ada accent".

I had 4 main criteria for a book, which narrowed the search from _hundreds_
(in the Computer Literacy Bookshop) to just a very few:

1. diskette of programs, and (better) a compiler shrink-wrapped;
2. suitable for self-teaching (I'm not going to teach C ab initio,
   because the students have had 2.5 semesters of Ada and some
   assembler already;
3. did justice to files, especially binary ones;
4. used headers adequately

It was _very_ tough to find one. In the end, 3 and 4 got lower priority
than 1 and 2. But looking at all the junk books on the market, one can
easily see where all the junk code comes from.

>Now of course people could write similar useless messy Ada specs, but both
>the language and the culture emphasize the importance of specs so
>energetically that this is relatively unusual in the Ada world.
>

And the C culture, in general, emphasizes it very little.

Mike Feldman
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Professor, Dept. of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
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  parent reply	other threads:[~1994-10-13  1:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1994-10-05  3:00 Easily-Read C++? Ken Garlington
1994-10-05  9:42 ` Pierre Castori
1994-10-05 13:28   ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-06  2:20     ` Benjamin Ketcham
     [not found]     ` <CxDL8H.KGE@csn.org>
     [not found]       ` <milodCxH2E4.7F4@netcom.com>
     [not found]         ` <CxHJv0.Kw0@csn.org>
1994-10-12 17:03           ` John DiCamillo
     [not found]           ` <DAG.94Oct11080229@bellman.control.lth.se>
     [not found]             ` <37du0k$ir2@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
1994-10-12  3:19               ` Attractive comments better? R_Tim_Coslet
1994-10-13  1:35               ` Michael Feldman [this message]
1994-10-05 14:26 ` Easily-Read C++? Eric S. Sessoms
1994-10-05 17:47 ` Kevin Cline
1994-10-05 22:02   ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-05 22:23     ` Richard Kenner
     [not found]       ` <124377@cup.portal.com>
1994-10-11 18:11         ` David Weller
1994-10-11 18:43         ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-12 13:15           ` Norman H. Cohen
1994-10-12 14:10             ` Robert Firth
1994-10-13 19:33             ` John D. Reading
1994-10-13  0:51         ` Keith Thompson @pulsar
1994-10-05 18:24 ` Magnus Kempe
     [not found] ` <EACHUS.94Oct6101347@spectre.mitre.org>
     [not found]   ` <371a3p$nos@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
     [not found]     ` <1994Oct7.153254.29848@swlvx2.msd.ray.com>
     [not found]       ` <374uke$8mo@delphi.cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]         ` <37bno4$ko4@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
1994-10-11 13:00           ` Robert Firth
1994-10-11 13:44             ` Casper H.S. Dik
1994-10-11 19:03               ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-12 16:38               ` John DiCamillo
1994-10-11 18:52             ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-12 13:49               ` Norman H. Cohen
     [not found]           ` <37eej8$6ie@siberia.gatech.edu>
1994-10-11 18:55             ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-12 13:35               ` John M. Mills
1994-10-12 19:48                 ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]         ` <CxFr5B.K1G@news.otago.ac.nz>
     [not found]           ` <DAG.94Oct10075533@bellman.control.lth.se>
1994-10-11 17:50             ` Norman H. Cohen
     [not found]     ` <373vd2$39n@theopolis.orl.mmc.com>
     [not found]       ` <CxBvq7.GrH@inmet.camb.inmet.com>
     [not found]         ` <37bnic$kj2@gnat.cs.nyu.edu>
1994-10-11 18:02           ` Norman H. Cohen
     [not found] ` <1994Oct7.110309@di.epfl.ch>
     [not found]   ` <DAG.94Oct7204142@bellman.control.lth.se>
     [not found]     ` <1994Oct7.210111.4494@nosc.mil>
     [not found]       ` <374i3o$c87@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
1994-10-12 17:37         ` "Tag" (Was: Easily-Read C++? (NOT)) David Emery
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