From: willett@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (david.c.willett)
Subject: Re: Vendor bashing? Sort of.
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:20:19 GMT
Date: 1994-09-19T15:20:19+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CwDuLx.7AE@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: SRCTRAN.94Sep18090214@world.std.com
From article <SRCTRAN.94Sep18090214@world.std.com>, by srctran@world.std.com (Gregory Aharonian):
>
>>Greg, let me get this right, you wanted to charge for an hour of time to
>>come in and make a sales pitch? Well that's a novel way of doing business
>>(well perhaps one should say it would be novel if it worked). Charging
>>for sales pitches, well, well, that's the second strangest thing I heard
>>about today (the first is too long a story ...)
>
> Robert,
> Obviously you are unfamilar with DoD contracting procedures, which
> is why you fail to appreciate how business-suffocating many Ada policies
> are. I did not mean (and if you bothered to read what I posted) to demand
> to be paid for making a sales pitch. Maybe that's what's expected at NYU,
> but not here in Boston. I think your knee-jerking is getting out of control.
>
>
> Each and every hour of a DoD contractor's employees day has
> to be accounted for to some contract (unless he is a non-peon on overhead).
> This is much like lawyer's who have to bill every hour of their day to one
> of their clients. Thus for someone at a DoD contractor to goto the library
> for an hour to look up information on Ada, that person has to charge that
> hour to some contract, or he or she won't be able to go. For if each hour
> is not accounted for to some contract, and legitimately, then the DoD auditors
> from the DCAA (or whatever it is called now) get real nasty (well only if
> they detect lots of inconsistencies).
>
Greg,
Let's get some perspective on this, okay? The DoD operates under
a set of regulations called the Federal Acquisition Regulations (FARs).
These regulations specify auditing standrards, accounting practices,
authority for work rules, etc. Companies are expected to implement
practices that comply with the FARs and various auditing bureaus
within DoD (e.g. Defense Contract Administration Agency -- DCAA --
and others) monitor contractors for compliance.
Note -- For old timers, I'm just pointing out the first couple
layers of a Bysantine system here.
As far as I know, DCAA's only interest is to see that the US Govt.
isn't charged for things that were not to its benefit. That is
to say, that charges against a contract which could not be supportted
under that contract's Statement of Work (SOW) are not allowed.
To the best of my knowledge, the DCAA and the DoD have no interest
in accounting for every moment of a worker's time, only in getting
good value for their money. This means (upper case for emphasis here)
THE CONTRACTOR, NOT DOD, IS THE ONE INSISTING THAT
EMPLOYEES BILL THEIR TIME TO A CONTRACT.
In other words, Greg, your beef isn't with the DoD, but with the
contractors you are trying to sell to. It is, in fact, the
very "understanding of economics" that you claim DoD lacks,
in action. These companies don't think what you have to
say is worth enough for them to "spend their own money"
to listen to you. Seems to me you don't have much of a case.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dave Willett AT&T Advanced Technology Systems
Greensboro, NC USA
When short, simple questions have long, complex answers -- your
organization's in trouble.
Adapted from "In Search of Excellence"
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Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1994-09-08 13:53 Air Force shows how meaningless Ada waiver process is Rhoda Metzger
1994-09-08 17:36 ` John R. Cobarruvias
1994-09-08 19:14 ` Greg Annoyingme gets tricky (was: Re: Air Force shows how meaningless Ada waiver process is) Ted Dennison
1994-09-08 20:16 ` John R. Cobarruvias
1994-09-13 9:46 ` Air Force shows how meaningless Ada waiver process is Richard A. O'Keefe
1994-09-13 16:14 ` Michael Feldman
1994-09-13 20:14 ` Robert Dewar
1994-09-14 2:46 ` Vendor bashing? Sort of Michael Feldman
1994-09-14 13:17 ` Mitch Gart
1994-09-15 13:28 ` Robert Dewar
1994-09-16 15:26 ` Michael Feldman
1994-09-16 1:56 ` Michael Feldman
1994-09-16 14:16 ` Gregory Aharonian
1994-09-16 18:23 ` Quo Vadis Ada Market?(was Re: Vendor bashing? Sort of.) david.c.willett
1994-09-17 0:11 ` Vendor bashing? Sort of Robert Dewar
1994-09-18 14:02 ` Gregory Aharonian
1994-09-19 15:20 ` david.c.willett [this message]
1994-09-19 17:11 ` Kent Mitchell
1994-09-19 11:48 ` Ted Dennison
1994-09-19 19:16 ` Kent Mitchell
1994-09-27 4:26 ` Michael Feldman
1994-09-27 16:38 ` Kent Mitchell
1994-09-14 14:30 ` Mike Ryer
1994-09-15 13:30 ` Robert Dewar
1994-09-19 2:19 ` Michael Feldman
1994-09-19 3:52 ` Robert Dewar
1994-09-22 16:43 ` Michael Feldman
1994-09-22 22:11 ` Richard Kenner
[not found] ` <35svf1$77i@cmcl2.nyu.edu>
1994-09-27 4:19 ` Michael Feldman
1994-09-27 14:35 ` M3 Network Objects (Formerly: bashing? Sort of.) Anthony Gargaro
1994-09-19 19:20 ` Vendor bashing? Sort of Erik Naggum
1994-09-20 13:58 ` C++ bashing (was Re: Vendor bashing? Sort of.) -mlc-+Schilling J.
1994-09-20 21:51 ` Robert Dewar
1994-09-24 18:53 ` Fred McCall
1994-10-04 16:03 ` -mlc-+Schilling J.
1994-10-04 18:44 ` Robert Dewar
1994-10-05 14:24 ` -mlc-+Schilling J.
1994-09-14 13:49 ` Air Force shows how meaningless Ada waiver process is Christopher Costello
1994-09-17 12:40 ` Fred McCall
1994-09-22 17:15 ` Was... Air Force shows... Now... Vendor Bashing Chris Eveleigh
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