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From: kaz@ashi.footprints.net (Kaz Kylheku)
Subject: Re: GWindows and David Botton
Date: 18 Oct 2004 19:48:00 -0700
Date: 2004-10-18T19:48:00-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cf333042.0410181848.2303e02d@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.199.1097016199.390.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org

Stephen Leake <stephen_leake@acm.org> wrote in message news:<mailman.199.1097016199.390.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org>...
> Ludovic Brenta <ludovic.brenta@insalien.org> writes:
> 
> > I cannot help but think that CVS is the "C" of revision control
> > systems.  Ada programmers deserve better than that :)
> 
> I hadn't thought of it quite that way :).
> 
> > With Meta-CVS, one can get the best of everything: the SourceForge
> > CVS server and surrounding tools, without the annoying CVS
> > deficiencies.
> > 
> > At least, I think Meta-CVS is worth a look.
> 
> If Meta-CVS is a purely client tool, then each developer can use it or
> not; it doesn't have to be a project-wide choice.

Such a tool can't do the things that Meta-CVS can do. People have
played around with scripts to do things like simulate renaming over
standard CVS projects that can be fully checked out with a regular
client.

In the Meta-CVS project, I did not want to aim the guns that low into
the ground, but rather elevate the muzzle above the horizon.

I just wanted to reuse all of the behaviors that CVS does reasonably
well: namely keeping a vector of text documents synchronized between a
remote repository and a local sandbox, with support for parallel
editing, branching and merging.

In order for an element of this vector to retain its identity, while
changing its name and position within the filesystem tree, it is
necessary to represent that name and position as a separate property.
The name, as known to CVS, then just becomes an abstract identifier,
which might as well be based on some 128 bit number or something like
that.
 
The question is where to store the name? The simplest answer is to
store it in some other file which can also be versioned, and subject
to branching and merging.

This way, when you check out the database, all you have to do is parse
this file, and arrange the rest of the documents into a tree, which
can be done using efficient hard-linking operations, rather than bulk
transfer of data.

In fact, what Meta-CVS does is keep a farm of hard links so that it
has the original vector as checked out by CVS. CVS checkouts and
updates take place in this farm area. A restructuring algorithm
reshapes the tree by looking at the differences between the current
structure and the newly desired version. A simple synchronization
algorithm repairs any broken hard links between the tree and farm.

> I already use CVS for _everything_. While in general I'm in favor of
> learning new tools, in this case I'm sticking with CVS.

Meta-CVS is my way of expressing essentially the same attitude: I'm
sticking with CVS! Only I'm going to make it jump through hoops that
over years of CVS mailing list discussions declared impossible, that's
all. ;)



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-19  2:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-23  1:44 GWindows and David Botton Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-09-23  2:51 ` stephane richard
2004-09-24  1:08   ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-24  1:14     ` stephane richard
2004-09-24 16:26     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-25 12:19       ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-26 13:22       ` Craig Carey
2004-09-24  0:35 ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-24  3:38   ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-24  5:41     ` Martin Dowie
2004-09-24 10:37     ` stephane richard
2004-09-25 12:06       ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-27 20:59         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-28 17:47           ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-28 18:25             ` stephane richard
2004-10-03 17:04               ` David Botton
2004-10-03 16:32         ` David Botton
2004-10-03 17:59           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-03 19:32             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-03 20:21               ` Jerry van Dijk
2004-10-04 19:13               ` tmoran
2004-10-05  0:54                 ` David Botton
2004-10-05  1:23                   ` David Botton
2004-10-05  1:27                   ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-05  3:39                     ` David Botton
2004-10-05 23:20                   ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-03 19:24           ` Jerry van Dijk
2004-10-04  2:06           ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-04 13:23             ` David Botton
2004-10-04 13:43             ` David Botton
2004-09-24 17:00     ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-24  5:45   ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-09-24 22:14     ` String handling and character encodings Björn Persson
2004-09-25 12:01     ` GWindows and David Botton Stephen Leake
2004-09-26 16:21       ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-03 16:37         ` David Botton
2004-09-26 21:57     ` Stephen McNeill
2004-09-26 22:08       ` tmoran
2004-09-27  6:13       ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-09-27  7:30         ` GWindows license (Was: GWindows and David Botton) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-09-27 12:31         ` GWindows and David Botton Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-27 21:23           ` Stephen McNeill
2004-10-03 16:40         ` David Botton
2004-10-04  1:57           ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-04 13:31             ` David Botton
2004-10-05  0:54               ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-05 15:39                 ` David Botton
2004-10-05 19:44                   ` tmoran
2004-10-05 21:33                     ` David Botton
2004-10-05 22:13                       ` stephane richard
2004-10-06 21:17                       ` tmoran
2004-10-05 22:40                   ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-05 23:28                     ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-06  3:50                       ` David Botton
2004-10-06  3:46                     ` David Botton
     [not found]           ` <ullenfdo8.fsf@acm.org>
2004-10-04 12:46             ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-04 23:13               ` Brian May
2004-10-04 23:45                 ` stephane richard
2004-10-05 17:52                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-05 18:08                     ` Chris Humphries
2004-10-05 18:24                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-05 19:07                         ` Pascal Obry
2004-10-05 20:27                           ` SourceForge, CVS and revision control systems (was: GWindows and David Botton) Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-05 20:54                             ` Pascal Obry
2004-10-05 22:43                         ` GWindows and David Botton Stephen Leake
2004-10-07 18:49                           ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-16  2:36                             ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-10-16 13:22                               ` CVS front-ends Stephen Leake
2004-10-16 14:33                                 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-10-16 15:07                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-10-16 15:56                                     ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-16 16:37                                       ` Pascal Obry
2004-10-19  2:48                           ` Kaz Kylheku [this message]
2004-10-05  0:48                 ` GWindows and David Botton Stephen Leake
2004-10-05  7:42                   ` Brian May
2004-10-05 22:16                     ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-06  8:48                       ` Pascal Obry
2004-10-06 18:56                         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 20:07                           ` David Botton
2004-10-06 20:18                             ` David Botton
2004-10-06 21:25                               ` tmoran
2004-10-09  9:49                           ` Jerry van Dijk
2004-10-07  0:22                         ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-08  0:28                       ` Brian May
2004-10-06 20:08                   ` Samuel Tardieu
2004-10-08  0:36                     ` Brian May
2004-09-24 18:58   ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-24 20:14     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-24 20:48       ` tmoran
2004-09-24 22:20       ` GTK Björn Persson
2004-09-24 22:22       ` GWindows and David Botton Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-25  2:34       ` Jeff C r e e.m
2004-09-25  6:03       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-25 10:42         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-25 11:38           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-25 13:11           ` Ed Falis
2004-09-25 15:59             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-09-25 18:15               ` Ed Falis
     [not found]         ` <41554B8F.6040401@netcabo.pt>
2004-09-25 12:49           ` Stephen Leake
     [not found]           ` <uekkqfr96.fsf@acm.org>
2004-09-25 13:05             ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-25 11:46       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-09-25 12:43     ` GtkAda vs Windex, Gwindows Stephen Leake
2004-10-04 17:11       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-04 21:11         ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-05 16:38           ` GtkAda Package Hierarchy (was ...vs Windex, Gwindows) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-05 16:56         ` GtkAda vs Windex, Gwindows Stephane Riviere
2004-10-05 17:09           ` stephane richard
2004-10-05 20:42             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-03 16:18     ` GWindows and David Botton David Botton
2004-10-03 16:03   ` David Botton
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-09-28  6:39 Robert C. Leif
2004-09-28  6:56 ` tmoran
     [not found] <uoejghjq3.fsf@acm.org>
2004-10-06  4:19 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-10-06  4:39   ` David Botton
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