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From: "Robert C. Leif" <rleif@rleif.com>
To: <comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org>
Subject: Re: GWindows and David Botton
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:39:28 -0700
Date: 2004-09-27T23:39:28-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <mailman.119.1096353592.390.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org> (raw)

      
      Although CLAW is the only package that is able to hide most of
Windows' complexity and ugliness, continued development of it for the
Windows GUI is a poor long-term bet.  One of the major advantages of CLAW is
that it is a thick binding.  Since Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) XML
Graphics for the Web (http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/) and XForms
(http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/) provide the infrastructure for a GUI, why
not interface to them and have a truly portable standard GUI. The XML
documents (code) required to be generated should be of about the same
complexity as a Windows Resource file.  There is the extra benefit that this
product should interface with the next version of OpenOffice
(http://www.openoffice.org/). The OpenOffice schema are much more readable
that those for Microsoft Office and appear to be based on W3C standards,
such as SVG and XSL:fo.
      
      OpenOffice "Mission Statement"
      "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite
that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality
and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
      Bob Leif 
      ------------------------------
      
      Message: 2
      Date: 27 Sep 2004 14:23:13 -0700
      From: mcneills@landcareresearch.co.nz (Stephen McNeill)
      Subject: Re: GWindows and David Botton
      To: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org
      Message-ID: <116a1020.0409271323.1922da15@posting.google.com>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
      
      Georg Bauhaus <sb463ba@l1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> wrote in message
news:<cj916q$8as$1@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de>...
       
      > I hope that Randy Brukardt's and Tom Moran's respective offers
(making
      > the rest of CLAW GMGPLed, which, if I understand correctly, will
include
      > the media packages) are not deliberately ignored?
      > 
      > Or is there some technical profit in not co-ordinating efforts?
      > I guess Ada vendors have customer who do already use CLAW. Will
      > they be attracted to another great effort likely to be very similar
      > to CLAW, and abandon a supported product (CLAW) that already meets
      > their needs?
      > What kind of support can they expect?
      > 
      > Conversly, imagine that for a Windows bindings project you had
      > - RR Software's experience in building Windows bindings
      > - CLAW customers' interest in the project if based on CLAW
      > - and possibly other vendors' (and customers') interest in an
      >   alternative high level Ada binding.
      > 
      > 
      > -- Georg
      
      Georg, that is a fair point. That is one of the reasons why (in a
      message a few weeks ago I think) I asked whether it was important to
      continue working with GWindows, or alternatively give it a decent
      burial. If the consensus is to stand in behind CLAW, then provided
      there is some general assurance that it is likely to survive, with a
      basic cost that is generally acceptable to a reasonable range of
      users, then I shall stand in line to offer help.
      
      Stephen




             reply	other threads:[~2004-09-28  6:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-28  6:39 Robert C. Leif [this message]
2004-09-28  6:56 ` GWindows and David Botton tmoran
     [not found] <uoejghjq3.fsf@acm.org>
2004-10-06  4:19 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-10-06  4:39   ` David Botton
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-09-23  1:44 Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-09-23  2:51 ` stephane richard
2004-09-24  1:08   ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-24  1:14     ` stephane richard
2004-09-24 16:26     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-25 12:19       ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-26 13:22       ` Craig Carey
2004-09-24  0:35 ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-24  3:38   ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-24  5:41     ` Martin Dowie
2004-09-24 10:37     ` stephane richard
2004-09-25 12:06       ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-27 20:59         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-28 17:47           ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-28 18:25             ` stephane richard
2004-10-03 17:04               ` David Botton
2004-10-03 16:32         ` David Botton
2004-10-03 17:59           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-03 19:32             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-03 20:21               ` Jerry van Dijk
2004-10-04 19:13               ` tmoran
2004-10-05  0:54                 ` David Botton
2004-10-05  1:23                   ` David Botton
2004-10-05  1:27                   ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-05  3:39                     ` David Botton
2004-10-05 23:20                   ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-03 19:24           ` Jerry van Dijk
2004-10-04  2:06           ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-04 13:23             ` David Botton
2004-10-04 13:43             ` David Botton
2004-09-24 17:00     ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-24  5:45   ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-09-25 12:01     ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-26 16:21       ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-03 16:37         ` David Botton
2004-09-26 21:57     ` Stephen McNeill
2004-09-26 22:08       ` tmoran
2004-09-27  6:13       ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-09-27 12:31         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-27 21:23           ` Stephen McNeill
2004-10-03 16:40         ` David Botton
2004-10-04  1:57           ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-04 13:31             ` David Botton
2004-10-05  0:54               ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-05 15:39                 ` David Botton
2004-10-05 19:44                   ` tmoran
2004-10-05 21:33                     ` David Botton
2004-10-05 22:13                       ` stephane richard
2004-10-06 21:17                       ` tmoran
2004-10-05 22:40                   ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-05 23:28                     ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-06  3:50                       ` David Botton
2004-10-06  3:46                     ` David Botton
     [not found]           ` <ullenfdo8.fsf@acm.org>
2004-10-04 12:46             ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-04 23:13               ` Brian May
2004-10-04 23:45                 ` stephane richard
2004-10-05 17:52                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-05 18:08                     ` Chris Humphries
2004-10-05 18:24                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-05 19:07                         ` Pascal Obry
2004-10-05 22:43                         ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-07 18:49                           ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-16  2:36                             ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-10-19  2:48                           ` Kaz Kylheku
2004-10-05  0:48                 ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-05  7:42                   ` Brian May
2004-10-05 22:16                     ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-06  8:48                       ` Pascal Obry
2004-10-06 18:56                         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 20:07                           ` David Botton
2004-10-06 20:18                             ` David Botton
2004-10-06 21:25                               ` tmoran
2004-10-09  9:49                           ` Jerry van Dijk
2004-10-07  0:22                         ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-08  0:28                       ` Brian May
2004-10-06 20:08                   ` Samuel Tardieu
2004-10-08  0:36                     ` Brian May
2004-09-24 18:58   ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-24 20:14     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-24 20:48       ` tmoran
2004-09-24 22:22       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-25  2:34       ` Jeff C r e e.m
2004-09-25  6:03       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-25 10:42         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-25 11:38           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-25 13:11           ` Ed Falis
2004-09-25 15:59             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-09-25 18:15               ` Ed Falis
     [not found]         ` <41554B8F.6040401@netcabo.pt>
2004-09-25 12:49           ` Stephen Leake
     [not found]           ` <uekkqfr96.fsf@acm.org>
2004-09-25 13:05             ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-25 11:46       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-03 16:18     ` David Botton
2004-10-03 16:03   ` David Botton
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