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From: Martin Krischik <martin@krischik.com>
Subject: Re: Possible Ada deficiency?
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 18:49:01 +0100
Date: 2005-01-02T18:49:01+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1583282.MNpLsG3Aep@linux1.krischik.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1104593266.794612.257170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com

danmcleran@hotmail.com wrote:

> 
>> just as anybody can type
>>
>> #define private public
>>
>> in C++.
>>
>> With Regards
>>
>> Martin
> 
> Yes. This kind of thing is evil.

Of course you can do the same in Ada using the "Cut/Copy/Paste" feature of
you favourite Editor and Unchecked_Conversion. For the determined you can
make it only more difficult. 

You know, after using C++ for a few years I started to create only classes
like this:

class X_self;

class X
   {
   public:

   ..........

   private:

      X_self& X;

   };

Reason: The main incompatiblily problem is the result of the sizeof
operator. And only opaque types can solve that.

But then I have to agree that the C++ "private" has enormous marketing
value.

> One of the main reasons I find Ada so 
> appealing is that it has fewer loopholes for this kind of stuff to get
> through. I am surprised that child packages have as much visibility as
> they do, and that there is no way to prevent it, though.

If you write a child package you should know what you are doing. Mind you,
child packages where new for Ada 95. In Ada 83 there was only:

package Parent

  package Child

  private

  end Child;

private

end Parent;

package body Parent

  package body Child is seperate;

end Parent;

With this contruct you actualy know all possible child packages. There must
have been a good reason why the new Child packages got access the private
data as well. But then the old child packages even have access to the body
informations.

Martin
-- 
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http://www.ada.krischik.com



  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-02 17:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-31 18:15 Possible Ada deficiency? danmcleran
2004-12-31 19:12 ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-01  1:52   ` danmcleran
2005-01-01  2:37     ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-01  2:02   ` danmcleran
2005-01-01 14:11     ` Martin Krischik
2005-01-01 15:27       ` danmcleran
2005-01-02 17:49         ` Martin Krischik [this message]
2005-01-01 15:30     ` Stephen Leake
2005-01-01 15:57       ` danmcleran
2005-01-03 23:37         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-07 17:26           ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-07 18:26             ` danmcleran
2005-01-07 21:32             ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-08  3:56               ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-08 18:15                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-08 19:11                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-08 20:03                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-09  3:40                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-09 17:30                         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-09 19:24                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-09 21:56                           ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-10 13:47                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-10 16:46                               ` Duncan Sands
2005-01-10 17:58                                 ` Pascal Obry
2005-01-10 18:45                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-10 19:44                                     ` Pascal Obry
2005-01-11 10:05                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-11  7:24                                     ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2005-01-11  9:48                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-11 13:57                                         ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2005-01-11 21:52                                           ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-12 11:22                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-09 17:23                   ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 17:46                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10  3:05                       ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 18:41                   ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-09 19:06                     ` Martin Krischik
2005-01-09 20:10                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-09 20:15                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-11 14:13                       ` Possible Ada deficiency? (goto) Peter Hermann
2005-01-11 14:54                         ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-11 22:15                         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-12 10:17                           ` Peter Hermann
2005-01-15 17:34                             ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-15 17:58                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-15 19:34                                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10 20:15                   ` Possible Ada deficiency? Randy Brukardt
2005-01-10 21:51                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-11 20:23                       ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-11 21:24                         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-12 19:57                           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-02 15:51       ` Adrian Hoe
2005-01-04 16:06       ` Peter Hermann
2005-01-01 23:36     ` tmoran
2005-01-02  3:38       ` danmcleran
2004-12-31 19:16 ` Martin Dowie
2005-01-01  2:32   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-12-31 23:23 ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-01  1:56   ` danmcleran
2005-01-01 11:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-01 15:46   ` danmcleran
2005-01-01 17:58     ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-01 19:43       ` danmcleran
2005-01-02  0:36         ` Ed Falis
2005-01-02  3:36           ` danmcleran
2005-01-02 15:53             ` Ed Falis
2005-01-07 18:31               ` danmcleran
2005-01-07 18:44                 ` Pascal Obry
2005-01-07 19:29                   ` danmcleran
2005-01-07 21:28                     ` Pascal Obry
2005-01-01 23:28   ` danmcleran
2005-01-02 10:26     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-02 15:51       ` danmcleran
2005-01-03 23:48     ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-01 14:06 ` Martin Krischik
2005-01-01 15:53   ` danmcleran
2005-01-07 21:33 ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-09 17:15   ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 17:38     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10  3:16       ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 18:41     ` Martin Dowie
2005-01-10  3:18       ` danmcleran
2005-01-10 20:32         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-10 21:42           ` danmcleran
2005-01-10 21:36         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10 21:44           ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 19:01     ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-10  3:20       ` danmcleran
2005-01-10 22:16         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10 22:29           ` danmcleran
2005-01-11 20:12             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-01-11 20:30               ` danmcleran
2005-01-11 21:44               ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-11  0:06           ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-11  0:46             ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-11 20:37           ` danmcleran
2005-01-11 21:08             ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-17  4:40 ` Tucker
2005-01-18 13:46   ` danmcleran
2005-01-18 21:29     ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-24 17:23   ` danmcleran
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2004-12-31 19:06 danmcleran
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