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From: "Ed Falis" <falis@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Possible Ada deficiency?
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:53:12 GMT
Date: 2005-01-02T15:53:12+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <opsjzfoaau5afhvo@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1104636997.704918.94250@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

On 1 Jan 2005 19:36:37 -0800, <danmcleran@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Because by using access values, one would have to manage the memory
> associated with the object. Also, a dangling reference could be left
> behind. See Jeff Carter's post:
>
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.ada/browse_frm/thread/93d7def3eeefbc26/e8e7d2d6f3847f5c#e8e7d2d6f3847f5c
>
> IMO, a proper construct to allow hiding of implementation detail from
> child packages is superior to this suggestion.
>

IMO, the kind of type opacity you're looking for here is rarely enough  
used that an additional language feature is unjustified.  As others have  
pointed out, child units are most often used to provide enhancements or  
additional facilities to a basic abstraction. Sometimes/often this needs  
access to the underlying representation.

If you read the introductory section on hierarchical libraries in the Ada  
95 Rationale, (II.7), I think you'll find that one of the main motivations  
(if not the main motivation) for the concept is to facilitate the sharing  
of private type representations among related abstractions.  In that  
context, the kind of type opacity you want is a corner case, addressable  
by other facilities of the language in a "building block" manner - the  
usual Ada way of addressing non-language-defined capabilities.

This may sound conservative, and it is - there is always a cost related to  
adding new features to the language.  In this particular case, we have to  
agree to disagree about the relative value of the proposed construct.

- Ed



  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-02 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-31 18:15 Possible Ada deficiency? danmcleran
2004-12-31 19:12 ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-01  1:52   ` danmcleran
2005-01-01  2:37     ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-01  2:02   ` danmcleran
2005-01-01 14:11     ` Martin Krischik
2005-01-01 15:27       ` danmcleran
2005-01-02 17:49         ` Martin Krischik
2005-01-01 15:30     ` Stephen Leake
2005-01-01 15:57       ` danmcleran
2005-01-03 23:37         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-07 17:26           ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-07 18:26             ` danmcleran
2005-01-07 21:32             ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-08  3:56               ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-08 18:15                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-08 19:11                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-08 20:03                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-09  3:40                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-09 17:30                         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-09 19:24                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-09 21:56                           ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-10 13:47                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-10 16:46                               ` Duncan Sands
2005-01-10 17:58                                 ` Pascal Obry
2005-01-10 18:45                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-10 19:44                                     ` Pascal Obry
2005-01-11 10:05                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-11  7:24                                     ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2005-01-11  9:48                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-11 13:57                                         ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2005-01-11 21:52                                           ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-12 11:22                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-09 17:23                   ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 17:46                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10  3:05                       ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 18:41                   ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-09 19:06                     ` Martin Krischik
2005-01-09 20:10                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-09 20:15                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-11 14:13                       ` Possible Ada deficiency? (goto) Peter Hermann
2005-01-11 14:54                         ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-11 22:15                         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-12 10:17                           ` Peter Hermann
2005-01-15 17:34                             ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-15 17:58                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-15 19:34                                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10 20:15                   ` Possible Ada deficiency? Randy Brukardt
2005-01-10 21:51                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-11 20:23                       ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-11 21:24                         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-12 19:57                           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-02 15:51       ` Adrian Hoe
2005-01-04 16:06       ` Peter Hermann
2005-01-01 23:36     ` tmoran
2005-01-02  3:38       ` danmcleran
2004-12-31 19:16 ` Martin Dowie
2005-01-01  2:32   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-12-31 23:23 ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-01  1:56   ` danmcleran
2005-01-01 11:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-01 15:46   ` danmcleran
2005-01-01 17:58     ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-01 19:43       ` danmcleran
2005-01-02  0:36         ` Ed Falis
2005-01-02  3:36           ` danmcleran
2005-01-02 15:53             ` Ed Falis [this message]
2005-01-07 18:31               ` danmcleran
2005-01-07 18:44                 ` Pascal Obry
2005-01-07 19:29                   ` danmcleran
2005-01-07 21:28                     ` Pascal Obry
2005-01-01 23:28   ` danmcleran
2005-01-02 10:26     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-02 15:51       ` danmcleran
2005-01-03 23:48     ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-01 14:06 ` Martin Krischik
2005-01-01 15:53   ` danmcleran
2005-01-07 21:33 ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-09 17:15   ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 17:38     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10  3:16       ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 18:41     ` Martin Dowie
2005-01-10  3:18       ` danmcleran
2005-01-10 20:32         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-10 21:42           ` danmcleran
2005-01-10 21:36         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10 21:44           ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 19:01     ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-10  3:20       ` danmcleran
2005-01-10 22:16         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10 22:29           ` danmcleran
2005-01-11 20:12             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-01-11 20:30               ` danmcleran
2005-01-11 21:44               ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-11  0:06           ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-11  0:46             ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-11 20:37           ` danmcleran
2005-01-11 21:08             ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-17  4:40 ` Tucker
2005-01-18 13:46   ` danmcleran
2005-01-18 21:29     ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-24 17:23   ` danmcleran
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2004-12-31 19:06 danmcleran
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