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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Possible Ada deficiency?
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:22:39 +0100
Date: 2005-01-12T12:22:39+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1hp29yovmnm44.1m41vtfjc5k4s$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 2079224.1WssEAdSMv@jellix.jlfencey.com

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:57:13 +0000, Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler wrote:

> Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:24:10 +0000, Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler wrote:
>> 
>>> Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I would leave all optimization issues to the compiler.
>>> 
>>> Hmm. Then: What about pragma Volatile? pragma Atomic?
>> 
>> Atomic and volatile are not about optimization. They describe a
>> contract. It is wrong to use pragmas for them. Maybe in C++, which
>> does not deal with concurrency it would be appropriate, but definitely
>> not in Ada. It is clear why these pragmas appeared.
> 
> Atomic and/or Volatile are not necessarily about concurrency. Sometimes
> they are just about hardware.

...running parallel to CPU...

>> With full  ADT an "atomic Integer" will implement abstract protected
>> object. No need in any pragmas!
> 
> Hmm. So instead of
> 
>|   type Timer_Mode is
>|   record
>|      BCD : Count;
>|      CM  : Count_Mode;
>|      RWM : Read_Write_Mode;
>|      SC  : Counter_Select;
>|   end record;
>|   [aspect clauses]
>|   pragma Atomic (Timer_Mode);
> 
> you'd like to write
> 
>|   type Timer_Mode is
>|   atomic record
>|     [...]

Probably:

type Timer_Mode is
   new Ada.Atomic.Protected_Object with
record ...

(I don't like new keywords)
 
>>> Or all these interesting ones from Annexes D, E & H?
>> 
>> It depends on each concrete case.
> 
> Remote_Call_Interface? Interrupt_Priority? Attach_Handler?
> Inspection_Point?

Oh! (:-))

OK, Remote_Call_Interface could be moved to a pseudo-body. Priority could
be a parameter of a task constructor or a discriminant (a long story).
Attach_Handler should be a representation clause ("for ...").
Inspection_Point is OK to me.

---
Pragmas are supposed to be advises to the compiler, not to the program
reader. That means, if you remove all pragmas from the program it should
still have sense, same sense. This principle is violated too often, most
notoriously, by the pragmas appearing in the specifications. I'm afraid
pragmas might become a kind of Ada's preprocessor.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-01-12 11:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-31 18:15 Possible Ada deficiency? danmcleran
2004-12-31 19:12 ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-01  1:52   ` danmcleran
2005-01-01  2:37     ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-01  2:02   ` danmcleran
2005-01-01 14:11     ` Martin Krischik
2005-01-01 15:27       ` danmcleran
2005-01-02 17:49         ` Martin Krischik
2005-01-01 15:30     ` Stephen Leake
2005-01-01 15:57       ` danmcleran
2005-01-03 23:37         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-07 17:26           ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-07 18:26             ` danmcleran
2005-01-07 21:32             ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-08  3:56               ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-08 18:15                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-08 19:11                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-08 20:03                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-09  3:40                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-09 17:30                         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-09 19:24                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-09 21:56                           ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-10 13:47                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-10 16:46                               ` Duncan Sands
2005-01-10 17:58                                 ` Pascal Obry
2005-01-10 18:45                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-10 19:44                                     ` Pascal Obry
2005-01-11 10:05                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-11  7:24                                     ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2005-01-11  9:48                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-11 13:57                                         ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2005-01-11 21:52                                           ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-12 11:22                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2005-01-09 17:23                   ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 17:46                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10  3:05                       ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 18:41                   ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-09 19:06                     ` Martin Krischik
2005-01-09 20:10                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-09 20:15                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-11 14:13                       ` Possible Ada deficiency? (goto) Peter Hermann
2005-01-11 14:54                         ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-11 22:15                         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-12 10:17                           ` Peter Hermann
2005-01-15 17:34                             ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-15 17:58                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-15 19:34                                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10 20:15                   ` Possible Ada deficiency? Randy Brukardt
2005-01-10 21:51                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-11 20:23                       ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-11 21:24                         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-12 19:57                           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-02 15:51       ` Adrian Hoe
2005-01-04 16:06       ` Peter Hermann
2005-01-01 23:36     ` tmoran
2005-01-02  3:38       ` danmcleran
2004-12-31 19:16 ` Martin Dowie
2005-01-01  2:32   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-12-31 23:23 ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-01  1:56   ` danmcleran
2005-01-01 11:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-01 15:46   ` danmcleran
2005-01-01 17:58     ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-01 19:43       ` danmcleran
2005-01-02  0:36         ` Ed Falis
2005-01-02  3:36           ` danmcleran
2005-01-02 15:53             ` Ed Falis
2005-01-07 18:31               ` danmcleran
2005-01-07 18:44                 ` Pascal Obry
2005-01-07 19:29                   ` danmcleran
2005-01-07 21:28                     ` Pascal Obry
2005-01-01 23:28   ` danmcleran
2005-01-02 10:26     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-02 15:51       ` danmcleran
2005-01-03 23:48     ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-01 14:06 ` Martin Krischik
2005-01-01 15:53   ` danmcleran
2005-01-07 21:33 ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-09 17:15   ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 17:38     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10  3:16       ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 18:41     ` Martin Dowie
2005-01-10  3:18       ` danmcleran
2005-01-10 20:32         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-10 21:42           ` danmcleran
2005-01-10 21:36         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10 21:44           ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 19:01     ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-10  3:20       ` danmcleran
2005-01-10 22:16         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10 22:29           ` danmcleran
2005-01-11 20:12             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-01-11 20:30               ` danmcleran
2005-01-11 21:44               ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-11  0:06           ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-11  0:46             ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-11 20:37           ` danmcleran
2005-01-11 21:08             ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-17  4:40 ` Tucker
2005-01-18 13:46   ` danmcleran
2005-01-18 21:29     ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-24 17:23   ` danmcleran
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2004-12-31 19:06 danmcleran
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