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From: Nick Roberts <nick.roberts@acm.org>
Subject: Re: Possible Ada deficiency?
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:26:00 +0000
Date: 2005-01-07T17:26:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <gemini.i9yj3c0051not02as.nick.roberts@acm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: q-adnWfRjf5PS0TcRVn-oQ@megapath.net

"Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com> wrote:

> The purpose of a child package is to extend its parent, often in ways not
> forseen by the parent's author. You're trying to prevent that purpose. If
> you don't want access to the private information, then don't write
> children. You have to at some point trust programmers to do something
> sensible; it's not the least bit hard to use 'Address or
> Unchecked_Conversion to access the private information of a package, no
> matter where you hide it.

I think you're missing the point a little, Randy.

Suppose there are some things in the private part of a package that you do
want private children of the package to be able to see (and modify), and
some other things in the private part that you do not want even private
children to be able to see (or modify).

In this case, it would seem it may be useful to have language construct that
allows this intention to be clearly stated, and enforced by the compiler.

If the intention later turns out to be an obstacle, the construct can be
changed or removed. But if the intention is /accidentally/ violated, it
could be very useful for the compiler to detect it and flag it up.

I suppose the problem is, such a construct would imply the need for a new
kind of private child -- perhaps a 'private private' child ;-) -- which
could access the secret stuff. And then one might have ultra-secret stuff,
and then ultra-secret children, and so on.

So possibly the argument against is that it would be overkill.

-- 
Best wishes,
Nick Roberts



  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-07 17:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-31 18:15 Possible Ada deficiency? danmcleran
2004-12-31 19:12 ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-01  1:52   ` danmcleran
2005-01-01  2:37     ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-01  2:02   ` danmcleran
2005-01-01 14:11     ` Martin Krischik
2005-01-01 15:27       ` danmcleran
2005-01-02 17:49         ` Martin Krischik
2005-01-01 15:30     ` Stephen Leake
2005-01-01 15:57       ` danmcleran
2005-01-03 23:37         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-07 17:26           ` Nick Roberts [this message]
2005-01-07 18:26             ` danmcleran
2005-01-07 21:32             ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-08  3:56               ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-08 18:15                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-08 19:11                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-08 20:03                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-09  3:40                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-09 17:30                         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-09 19:24                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-09 21:56                           ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-10 13:47                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-10 16:46                               ` Duncan Sands
2005-01-10 17:58                                 ` Pascal Obry
2005-01-10 18:45                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-10 19:44                                     ` Pascal Obry
2005-01-11 10:05                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-11  7:24                                     ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2005-01-11  9:48                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-11 13:57                                         ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2005-01-11 21:52                                           ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-12 11:22                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-09 17:23                   ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 17:46                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10  3:05                       ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 18:41                   ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-09 19:06                     ` Martin Krischik
2005-01-09 20:10                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-09 20:15                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-11 14:13                       ` Possible Ada deficiency? (goto) Peter Hermann
2005-01-11 14:54                         ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-11 22:15                         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-12 10:17                           ` Peter Hermann
2005-01-15 17:34                             ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-15 17:58                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-15 19:34                                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10 20:15                   ` Possible Ada deficiency? Randy Brukardt
2005-01-10 21:51                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-11 20:23                       ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-11 21:24                         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-12 19:57                           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-02 15:51       ` Adrian Hoe
2005-01-04 16:06       ` Peter Hermann
2005-01-01 23:36     ` tmoran
2005-01-02  3:38       ` danmcleran
2004-12-31 19:16 ` Martin Dowie
2005-01-01  2:32   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-12-31 23:23 ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-01  1:56   ` danmcleran
2005-01-01 11:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-01 15:46   ` danmcleran
2005-01-01 17:58     ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-01-01 19:43       ` danmcleran
2005-01-02  0:36         ` Ed Falis
2005-01-02  3:36           ` danmcleran
2005-01-02 15:53             ` Ed Falis
2005-01-07 18:31               ` danmcleran
2005-01-07 18:44                 ` Pascal Obry
2005-01-07 19:29                   ` danmcleran
2005-01-07 21:28                     ` Pascal Obry
2005-01-01 23:28   ` danmcleran
2005-01-02 10:26     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-01-02 15:51       ` danmcleran
2005-01-03 23:48     ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-01 14:06 ` Martin Krischik
2005-01-01 15:53   ` danmcleran
2005-01-07 21:33 ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-09 17:15   ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 17:38     ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10  3:16       ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 18:41     ` Martin Dowie
2005-01-10  3:18       ` danmcleran
2005-01-10 20:32         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-01-10 21:42           ` danmcleran
2005-01-10 21:36         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10 21:44           ` danmcleran
2005-01-09 19:01     ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-10  3:20       ` danmcleran
2005-01-10 22:16         ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-10 22:29           ` danmcleran
2005-01-11 20:12             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-01-11 20:30               ` danmcleran
2005-01-11 21:44               ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-11  0:06           ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-01-11  0:46             ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-11 20:37           ` danmcleran
2005-01-11 21:08             ` Robert A Duff
2005-01-17  4:40 ` Tucker
2005-01-18 13:46   ` danmcleran
2005-01-18 21:29     ` Nick Roberts
2005-01-24 17:23   ` danmcleran
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2004-12-31 19:06 danmcleran
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