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From: Norman Worth <nworth@comcastNOSPAM.net>
Subject: Re: Boeing 737 and 737 MAX software
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 13:36:03 -0600
Date: 2019-04-22T13:36:03-06:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <A4edne4sONw5iiPBnZ2dnUU7-RGdnZ2d@giganews.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a39hbe5j64hmff4re88e79u1mlr2v9k2gb@4ax.com>

Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 06:53:10 -0700 (PDT), tranngocduong@gmail.com declaimed
> the following:
> 
>>
>> a) Ada was used but programmers have chosen a wrong (too relaxed) subtype, or other language was used and programmers failed to code whatever equivalent to raising and handling a CONSTRAINT_ERROR. Simply: software bug.
>>
> 
> 	The common action on any exception is to log it (in flash memory) and
> /restart/ the FMS software. Restarting likely includes synchronizing with
> the second FMS -- but after such a synchronization, aircraft control would
> have been given to the primary FMS; which likely would have almost
> immediately produced an exception and.... repeat until the pilots manually
> switch control to the second FMS processor.
> 
>> b) Contrary to general belief, the software was not programmed with multiple redundant computation. Simply: process failure.
>>
>> I chose to believe a).
> 
> 	It is most likely a variant of B. MCAS was supposed to nudge the
> aircraft attitude when it sensed a potential stall condition from just AoA
> (airflow angle against the wings) with no concern for air speed;
> pre-existing air speed computations were not changed by the addition of
> MCAS (couldn't have been if MCAS can be manually disabled in flight).
> Without the (formerly optional) hardware, this becomes a single sensor
> matter -- and one which can not be detected as faulty (while each FMS may
> have had its own sensor, during a disagreement, the primary FMS likely
> pushes /its/ computed aircraft state to the secondary FMS which is supposed
> to start computations from those values; probably diverging again until the
> next sync interval -- get enough of these divergences and the secondary
> might be the one to shut down; the FMS displays might show "SINGLE FMS"
> mode])
> 
> 
A good programming language will not compensate for a bad system design!

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-04-22 19:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-05 21:16 Boeing 737 and 737 MAX software Paul Rubin
2019-04-06  1:16 ` Jere
2019-04-06 19:05   ` Paul Rubin
2019-04-18 22:04   ` Paul Rubin
2019-04-19  9:13     ` tranngocduong
2019-04-06 17:30 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2019-04-06 18:45   ` Niklas Holsti
2019-06-28 23:45   ` Paul Rubin
2019-06-29  2:52     ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2019-06-29  3:38       ` Paul Rubin
2019-06-29 16:29         ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2019-08-07  6:06     ` robin.vowels
2019-11-08  1:12   ` Paul Rubin
2019-11-08 15:32     ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2019-11-18 11:16     ` robin.vowels
2019-11-18 15:32       ` Optikos
2019-04-12  7:46 ` tranngocduong
2019-04-12 22:15   ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2019-04-17 17:27   ` Maciej Sobczak
2019-04-18  9:45     ` tranngocduong
2019-04-18 12:44       ` Maciej Sobczak
2019-04-18 13:53         ` tranngocduong
2019-04-18 15:13           ` Niklas Holsti
2019-04-18 16:21             ` tranngocduong
2019-04-18 18:20               ` Niklas Holsti
2019-04-20  0:29                 ` tranngocduong
2019-04-18 20:36               ` Randy Brukardt
2019-04-18 20:51                 ` Paul Rubin
2019-04-18 20:20             ` Paul Rubin
2019-04-18 16:39           ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2019-04-19  2:39             ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2019-04-22 19:36             ` Norman Worth [this message]
2019-04-28 18:27               ` russ lyttle
2019-04-18 13:50   ` Simon Wright
2019-04-18 15:07     ` tranngocduong
2019-05-05 14:29 ` robin.vowels
2019-05-06 13:54   ` robin.vowels
2019-05-06 15:12     ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2019-08-07  5:51   ` robin.vowels
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