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From: "Richard  Riehle" <adaworks@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: ADA Popularity Discussion Request
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:52:05 GMT
Date: 2004-08-27T17:52:05+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9xKXc.197$8d1.113@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: opsdeaw7ox5afhvo@localhost


"Ed Falis" <falis@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:opsdeaw7ox5afhvo@localhost...
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:10:34 +0800, Adrian Hoe <AdrianHoe@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
> > But, what did GNAT, Aonix, Intermetrics, Greenhill and other Ada
> > compiler vendors do? They did nothing to promote Ada.
>
> What a crock of horse-hockey!
>
> And no, I'm not going to list 15 years of Ada advocacy efforts on the part
> of the vendors.
>
I will say a few words about this.

Ada Core Technologies has, and continues to have, an initiative
for promoting Ada.   The very fact that GNAT is available free
is a substantial achievement.   Aonix, though more recently less
of an advocated, also has a free compiler and gave away
thousands of copies of its early Ada 95 compiler at conferences
and elsewhere.

During the early years, there was a lot of advocacy.  I recall
getting excellent support for my own advocacy efforts from
Alsys, especially when Lori Heyman was in charge of public
relations there.   Ben Brosgol traveled all over the world
presenting Ada to a wide range of audiences.

Let's not forget the efforts of Ralph Crafts.  He worked his
butt off trying to promote Ada to a larger venue.  He finally
burned out and left the Ada industry, but his work on the
behalf of Ada was second to none.

For Ada 83, we had the Meridian Ada compiler, and the
Janus Ada compiler, both of which were reasonably
priced.   Though Janus was probably a slightly better
compiler, Meridian took the trouble to provide a good
library for writing DOS programs and that made it
popular in a lot of university environments.

Then there were other organizations, composed mostly of
Ada compiler publishers.   When Ada 95 came on the scene,
a large chunk of money was set aside for publicity and
promotion.  Sadly, much of it was squandered on silly
advertisements and posters that had no chance of convincing
anyone.  Even so, the ARA did give it a try even with
very limited resources.

Promotion takes money.  In the current world of Ada, there
is not much of that available.   Some compiler publishers
are not earning much money on Ada at present.  This is
due, in large part, to the move away from Ada toward
other languages for some important military projects.  Few
compiler companies can thrive, at present, by relying
solely on its Ada products.

Ada suffered some early setbacks because of bad policy
decisions on the part of the DoD as well as the compiler
publishers.   When the DoD insisted that all software
be written in a language for which compilers did not
yet exist, it set up a plan for failure.   That policy was
followed with a waiver policy that added to the problem.
Overall, the early DoD management of its Ada initiative
was pretty bad.   The blame for this can be assigned to
a fairly high level within the DoD, indeed, within the
U.S. Government, where officials failed to understand
the value, the importance, of this initiative.

The compiler publishers, all of which were staffed by
a lot of bright, enthusiastic, and conscientious people,
made their own mistakes.   Failure to provide a full
set of facilities for the popular targeted platforms was
one (except for Meridian, cited earlier).  Failure to
coordinate with each other to develop a set of
portable libraries.   Setting prices so high, for the
really good compilers, that Non-DoD companies
could not justify the use of Ada to their own
management.   Failure to fully grasp the impact
of the microcomputer revolution and adapt their
compilers, at appropriate pricing, to meet the
demand (again Meridian and Janus were the
exceptions).    Failure to be flexible enough as
the microcomputer industry evolved through a
variety of human-machine interaction modes.
Failure to develop good file management, database
management, and other libraries that could attract
a larger following.

Ada entered the marketplace at a time of marketplace
change.   The changes were occurring so fast that
a language that could not change at the same pace,
or where tools and libraries could not keep up with
that pace, was bound to be suspect.

Finally, just as Ada reached a point where it was the
ideal solution for a larger range of environments and
applications (free compilers, better tools for windowing
environments, good editors, lots of good libraries, etc),
it had its support cut from under it by the very organization
that needed it most, the DoD.   Funding was cut, the
AdaIC was disbanded, and the developers rushed to
C++ in droves.  It was a classic case where the DoD
grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory.    Ada had
become one of the most effective development tools
available, in my view, far superior to the C++ of the
time, and the DoD management simply abandoned
it.  I continue to encounter DoD officials who seriously
believe that the DoD has now banned the use of
Ada for future software projects.   At present, I know
of no high-ranking DoD official who will rebut that
view.  At present, no one in the DoD, certainly no
one in the Pentagon, wants to have his/her name
publicly associated with Ada in any way.    They look
upon it as a failed project.   How does anyone counter
that view?  How do we revive confidence in Ada once
it has become a pariah among the very people who
will benefit from it?    Sadly, these senior officials
have washed their hands of anything to do with language
selection, and our weapon systems are going to be
awash with awful, unmaintainable software, and
probably less reliable software written in C++.   The
deleterious effects of all this C++ code will not
manifest itself for a long time, and when it does, it
will be too late.

Richard Riehle







  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-27 17:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 421+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-11 13:56 ADA Popularity Discussion Request Chris Humphries
2004-08-11 14:14 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-11 15:39   ` sk
2004-08-11 15:54   ` Marc A. Criley
2004-08-12  4:54     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-08-13  2:29     ` Brian May
2004-08-13  5:27       ` Ada " Puckdropper
2004-08-21  3:41       ` ADA " Wes Groleau
2004-08-26 21:11       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-08-27 10:30         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-31 16:34           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-08-31 17:48             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-01 16:58               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-09-10 23:12         ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-12 16:50           ` jayessay
2004-08-11 15:45 ` Jerry Petrey
2004-08-11 15:55   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-11 16:54     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-11 17:14 ` Nick Roberts
2004-08-11 18:00   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-12 11:48   ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-26  8:07   ` Adrian Hoe
2004-08-26 11:52     ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-27  8:10       ` Adrian Hoe
2004-08-27 14:37         ` Ed Falis
2004-08-27 17:52           ` Richard  Riehle [this message]
2004-08-27 18:20             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-27 22:45             ` Wes Groleau
2004-09-03  6:48             ` Adrian Hoe
2004-09-03 12:14               ` stephane richard
2004-09-03 17:33                 ` Björn Persson
2004-08-11 18:58 ` fabio de francesco
2004-08-12  0:05   ` Larry Elmore
2004-08-12 12:29     ` Adam Ruth
2004-08-12 13:25       ` Hardest to read (was: ADA Popularity Discussion Request) Björn Persson
2004-08-12 15:59         ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-08-12 17:31         ` Frank
2004-08-12 20:42         ` Gnat for x86 Solaris David C. Hoos
2004-08-13 19:06           ` Andreas Almroth
2004-08-16 16:19         ` Hardest to read (was: ADA Popularity Discussion Request) Frank J. Lhota
2004-08-13  6:55       ` ADA Popularity Discussion Request Wojtek Narczynski
2004-08-12 22:41 ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-12 23:20   ` Ed Falis
2004-08-13  0:37     ` Nick Roberts
2004-08-13  1:22       ` Ed Falis
2004-08-13  7:01     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-13  2:55   ` Matt Morgan
2004-08-14  7:26 ` j
     [not found]   ` <fvavh0lmv0644gn5dt45sbj574t3ivqhlt@4ax.com>
2004-08-15 21:26     ` Nick Roberts
2004-08-16  1:02       ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-16 21:09 ` Keith H Duggar
2004-08-16 22:24   ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-16 22:30     ` Ed Falis
2004-08-17  6:13     ` Keith H Duggar
2004-08-17 20:13       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-16 22:26   ` Ed Falis
2004-08-17  6:28     ` Keith H Duggar
2004-08-17 13:30       ` Ed Falis
2004-08-17 13:38         ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-18  3:30       ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-08-17  7:50   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
     [not found]     ` <mfb4i09d5kqk8fjdfmrj62kgmooftf1ma8@4ax.com>
2004-08-18  8:58       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-26  5:22     ` Dave Thompson
2004-08-26  8:06       ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-08-26 13:37         ` Martin Krischik
2004-08-26  8:14       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-26 17:28         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-17 10:58   ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-17 11:33     ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 11:59       ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-17 12:49         ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 13:07           ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-19 14:53             ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 12:33     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-17 12:54       ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-26  1:27         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-08-26 11:49           ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-17 12:58       ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 13:06         ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 23:54   ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-18  0:30     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-18  1:29       ` Björn Persson
2004-08-20 16:39       ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-20 17:41         ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-21 23:23           ` fabio de francesco
2004-08-22  7:16             ` fabio de francesco
2004-08-22  9:44             ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-23  0:18               ` fabio de francesco
2004-08-23  3:44                 ` Wes Groleau
2004-08-26 21:36                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 11:39                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-29 15:08                     ` jayessay
2004-08-30 19:59                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-02 14:26                         ` jayessay
2004-08-30 20:21                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-23 15:23                 ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-26 21:08                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27  5:23                     ` Wes Groleau
2004-08-27 17:29                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 22:50                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-08-27 11:45                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-27 18:22                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 19:14                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-28 14:17                           ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-28 18:07                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-29 16:14                               ` jayessay
2004-08-30 17:30                             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-27 21:42                         ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-29  6:22                         ` Martin Krischik
2004-08-31  7:25                           ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-31  9:37                             ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-08-31 10:54                               ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-31 12:42                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-31 13:22                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-31 16:02                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-31 17:29                                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-08-31 20:17                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-01  7:08                                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-01 12:25                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-01 14:27                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-01 20:21                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-02  7:59                                     ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-02 13:33                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-02 14:38                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-02 15:33                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-02 16:32                                         ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-02 18:50                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-31  9:57                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-31 11:51                             ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-02 19:10                             ` Simon Wright
2004-09-12 11:02                               ` Anders Gidenstam
2004-09-12 13:47                                 ` Simon Wright
2004-09-12 15:20                                   ` Anders Gidenstam
2004-09-12 16:36                                     ` Simon Wright
2004-09-12 18:33                                       ` Anders Gidenstam
2004-08-29 15:13                   ` jayessay
2004-08-29 16:34                     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-23 17:27                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-23 18:59                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-24  7:07                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-23 22:20                   ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-24  7:07                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-26 21:22                 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-26 20:32             ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 11:53               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-27 21:48                 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-28  5:02                   ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-30 19:16                     ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-31 12:16                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-03 15:25                         ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-03 18:51                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-05  3:59                             ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-28 10:20                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-28 10:30                     ` Adrian Knoth
2004-08-28 11:23                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-28 12:28                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-28 16:45                         ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-29 15:57                           ` jayessay
2004-08-29 16:47                             ` Richard  Riehle
2004-09-03 16:43                               ` jayessay
2004-09-05  4:36                                 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-05 16:13                                   ` Richard  Riehle
2004-09-05 17:28                                   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-06 16:45                                     ` jayessay
2004-09-06 17:15                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07 15:13                                         ` jayessay
2004-09-07 15:57                                           ` jayessay
2004-09-07 15:57                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07 18:20                                             ` jayessay
2004-09-08 10:40                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 19:46                                                 ` jayessay
2004-09-09  1:47                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-10  1:01                                                     ` jayessay
2004-09-10  9:28                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-12 15:59                                                         ` jayessay
2004-09-13 13:19                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-09  5:38                                                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-09-10  1:04                                                     ` jayessay
2004-09-10 21:51                                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-09-06 18:47                                       ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 15:22                                         ` jayessay
2004-09-07 15:37                                           ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 17:01                                             ` jayessay
2004-09-07 17:56                                               ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 18:29                                                 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 19:03                                                   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 21:12                                                     ` jayessay
2004-09-08  8:12                                                       ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 15:58                                           ` jayessay
2004-09-07 22:34                                           ` Björn Persson
2004-09-08 16:28                                             ` jayessay
2004-09-08 23:28                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-05 21:01                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-06  2:17                                     ` stephane richard
2004-09-06 21:12                                   ` jayessay
2004-09-07  8:23                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-07 15:25                                       ` jayessay
2004-09-05 18:28                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                 ` <e749549b.0409042036.5d4822a2@posting.googlOrganization: LJK Software <vpblkhspuA9F@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2004-09-05 22:49                                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-06 16:39                                     ` jayessay
2004-09-07 22:01                                       ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-08  8:52                                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-08 10:20                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 12:01                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-08 16:26                                             ` jayessay
2004-09-08 19:12                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-08 21:02                                                 ` Björn Persson
2004-09-08 23:31                                                   ` jayessay
2004-09-09 16:00                                                     ` Björn Persson
2004-09-08 23:02                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-08 23:23                                                 ` jayessay
2004-09-09  9:12                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-10  1:16                                                     ` jayessay
2004-09-10 15:06                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-08 21:17                                               ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-10  0:47                                                 ` jayessay
2004-09-10 17:40                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-12 16:02                                                     ` jayessay
2004-09-10 20:54                                                   ` static typing and test-first development Lionel Draghi
2004-09-08 19:46                                             ` ADA Popularity Discussion Request Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-09  7:57                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-10  0:53                                               ` jayessay
2004-09-11 19:52                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-12 16:36                                                   ` jayessay
2004-09-08 16:08                                           ` jayessay
2004-09-08 17:29                                             ` Richard  Riehle
2004-09-08 23:01                                               ` jayessay
2004-09-28  8:14                                                 ` Formal and informal type systems? (Was: ADA Popularity Discussion Request) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-09-28  9:05                                                   ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-28 10:05                                                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-28 11:02                                                       ` Formal and informal type systems? Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-28 11:31                                                         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-28 17:49                                                           ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-28 18:06                                                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-29  0:56                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29  9:10                                                             ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-28 18:54                                                         ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-28 18:57                                                           ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-28 20:19                                                           ` jayessay
2004-09-28 20:34                                                             ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-28 21:03                                                               ` jayessay
2004-09-29 10:23                                                                 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-29 15:32                                                                   ` jayessay
2004-09-28 23:47                                                           ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-29  1:23                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29  9:11                                                             ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-29 10:30                                                             ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-29  7:49                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-29 17:53                                                             ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-30  8:25                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-29 10:37                                                           ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-28 20:20                                                       ` Formal and informal type systems? (Was: ADA Popularity Discussion Request) Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-28 20:03                                                   ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-09  1:08                                         ` ADA Popularity Discussion Request Kevin Cline
2004-09-09  1:35                                           ` Ed Falis
2004-09-09 20:11                                             ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-11  0:04                                               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-11  1:10                                                 ` Ed Falis
2004-09-12 16:20                                               ` jayessay
2004-09-12 23:25                                                 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-13 10:13                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-13 21:29                                                   ` jayessay
2004-09-14  9:15                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-15  2:15                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-09  3:01                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-10 23:56                                             ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-11  9:50                                               ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-11 18:09                                                 ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-11 18:33                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-12  6:00                                                     ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-12 17:45                                                       ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-12 17:41                                                     ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-13  0:30                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13  6:06                                                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-12  0:51                                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-12  6:05                                                     ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-12  7:52                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-12 17:17                                                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-12 13:02                                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-12 19:05                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
     [not found]                                                   ` <zi1oZiVz9I4A@eisner.encoOrganization: LJK Software <UHjU2NulgeUs@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2004-09-12 21:21                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-09-13  7:42                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-15 20:45                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-09-16  8:03                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-16 18:45                                                             ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-17  7:29                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-13  0:48                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-13 14:25                                                   ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-13  5:56                                                 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-13 11:49                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-13 13:30                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-14 17:14                                                     ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-14 17:29                                                     ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-13 14:58                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-13 16:01                                                   ` Marius Amado Alves
     [not found]                                                 ` <mailman.16.1095009448.390.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.Organization: LJK Software <7+giGppWCdX3@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2004-09-14 20:17                                                   ` David Gay
2004-09-11  9:59                                               ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-12  5:32                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-12  7:19                                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-13  0:43                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13 16:40                                                       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-13 21:19                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13 21:36                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-14 17:27                                                           ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-12  7:50                                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-12 23:59                                                     ` Brian May
2004-09-13  0:45                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13  6:19                                                       ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-09-13  7:50                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-13 13:35                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13 15:39                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-13 15:51                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-14  8:32                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-14  9:07                                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-14 14:04                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-14 15:57                                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-15  8:29                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-15  9:30                                                                           ` Martin Dowie
2004-09-15 10:05                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-15 10:14                                                                           ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-15 12:50                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-16  4:29                                                                     ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-16  7:38                                                                       ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-16 18:45                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-17  5:58                                                                           ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-18 16:44                                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-19 11:22                                                                               ` Simon Wright
2004-09-19 12:22                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-19 18:04                                                                                   ` Simon Wright
2004-09-20  7:36                                                                                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-20 20:41                                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-21  8:11                                                                               ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-22 20:51                                                                                 ` Simon Wright
2004-09-16  8:01                                                                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-14 20:35                                                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-15  8:29                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-16 18:43                                                                       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-14 16:28                                                 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-11 11:44                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-14 16:50                                                 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-14 17:32                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-09 19:58                                           ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-11  0:07                                             ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-11 12:06                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-12 16:33                                                 ` jayessay
2004-09-13 12:43                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-13  6:58                                                 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-13 13:06                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-12 16:30                                               ` jayessay
2004-09-12 22:55                                                 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-12 23:08                                                 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-13  2:37                                                   ` John B. Matthews
2004-09-13 21:28                                                   ` jayessay
2004-09-13 13:08                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-09  0:13                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-09  1:07                                         ` Testing v compile time checks for errors Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-11  0:23                                         ` ADA Popularity Discussion Request Kevin Cline
2004-09-14  0:17                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-12 16:22                                         ` jayessay
2004-09-14  0:49                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-14 14:28                                             ` jayessay
2004-09-06 21:01                                     ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-13  6:23                                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-07  2:16                                     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-09-07  3:57                                       ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-07 16:42                                         ` Richard  Riehle
2004-09-07 20:51                                           ` jayessay
2004-09-07 22:21                                             ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-08  5:26                                               ` Richard  Riehle
2004-09-08  6:56                                                 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-08 15:56                                                   ` jayessay
2004-09-08 15:36                                               ` jayessay
2004-09-08 15:37                                                 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-08 10:29                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 16:04                                               ` jayessay
2004-09-09  2:52                                           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-07  7:46                                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-14 20:14                                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-20 21:45                                         ` Lurker
2004-09-07 22:37                                     ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-06  7:49                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-06 16:36                                   ` jayessay
2004-09-06 17:32                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07 13:48                                       ` jayessay
2004-09-07 15:13                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07 15:54                                           ` jayessay
2004-09-08 12:33                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 13:17                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-09  1:02                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-09  9:15                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-07 22:18                                     ` Lionel Draghi
2004-08-28 14:45                     ` User Name
2004-08-28 20:02                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-08-30 12:20                   ` Jano
2004-08-20 19:50         ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-26 20:42           ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27  1:22             ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-27 15:22               ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 16:26                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-30 19:08                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 18:08                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-28 14:05                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-26 21:52           ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-20 17:53       ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-08-21  1:34         ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-18  0:37     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-18  1:53     ` Steve
2004-08-18  8:58     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-18 10:04       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-08-18 17:55         ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-18 17:58           ` Ed Falis
2004-08-19  7:41           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-08-19 14:36             ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-08-30 14:00               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-08-30 15:27                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-08-25 18:26         ` John Kern
2004-08-18 10:32       ` Björn Persson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-08-26  2:08 Robert C. Leif
2004-08-31 17:58 Lionel.DRAGHI
2004-09-01  7:21 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-01 12:18 Lionel.DRAGHI
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