From: "Richard Riehle" <adaworks@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: ADA Popularity Discussion Request
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:41:45 GMT
Date: 2004-08-20T17:41:45+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <tJqVc.7839$3O3.4242@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: e749549b.0408200838.43e841d@posting.google.com
"Kevin Cline" <kevin.cline@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e749549b.0408200838.43e841d@posting.google.com...
Kevin,
I have read your reasons for preferring C++ over Ada,
and appreciate that you have looked at this matter
with diligence and an honest sense of inquiry. Because
of my confidence in the intelligent approach you took
to reach your conclusions, I will not presume to persuade
you to depart from your position. I will say that, the
more I compare C++ and Ada (and I do have to use
C++ in some of my own work), the more I prefer
Ada. Reasonable people can disagree on this kind
of thing. None of these programming languages
represent revealed truth. All have flaws. We often
must decide which flaws we can best tolerate, rather
than which good features can be of greatest benefit.
It is a bit like voting in a major election.
Richard Riehle
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2004-08-11 13:56 ADA Popularity Discussion Request Chris Humphries
2004-08-11 14:14 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-11 15:39 ` sk
2004-08-11 15:54 ` Marc A. Criley
2004-08-12 4:54 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-08-13 2:29 ` Brian May
2004-08-13 5:27 ` Ada " Puckdropper
2004-08-21 3:41 ` ADA " Wes Groleau
2004-08-26 21:11 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-08-27 10:30 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-31 16:34 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-08-31 17:48 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-01 16:58 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-09-10 23:12 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-12 16:50 ` jayessay
2004-08-11 15:45 ` Jerry Petrey
2004-08-11 15:55 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-11 16:54 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-11 17:14 ` Nick Roberts
2004-08-11 18:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-12 11:48 ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-26 8:07 ` Adrian Hoe
2004-08-26 11:52 ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-27 8:10 ` Adrian Hoe
2004-08-27 14:37 ` Ed Falis
2004-08-27 17:52 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-27 18:20 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-27 22:45 ` Wes Groleau
2004-09-03 6:48 ` Adrian Hoe
2004-09-03 12:14 ` stephane richard
2004-09-03 17:33 ` Björn Persson
2004-08-11 18:58 ` fabio de francesco
2004-08-12 0:05 ` Larry Elmore
2004-08-12 12:29 ` Adam Ruth
2004-08-12 13:25 ` Hardest to read (was: ADA Popularity Discussion Request) Björn Persson
2004-08-12 15:59 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-08-12 17:31 ` Frank
2004-08-12 20:42 ` Gnat for x86 Solaris David C. Hoos
2004-08-13 19:06 ` Andreas Almroth
2004-08-16 16:19 ` Hardest to read (was: ADA Popularity Discussion Request) Frank J. Lhota
2004-08-13 6:55 ` ADA Popularity Discussion Request Wojtek Narczynski
2004-08-12 22:41 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-12 23:20 ` Ed Falis
2004-08-13 0:37 ` Nick Roberts
2004-08-13 1:22 ` Ed Falis
2004-08-13 7:01 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-13 2:55 ` Matt Morgan
2004-08-14 7:26 ` j
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2004-08-15 21:26 ` Nick Roberts
2004-08-16 1:02 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-16 21:09 ` Keith H Duggar
2004-08-16 22:24 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-16 22:30 ` Ed Falis
2004-08-17 6:13 ` Keith H Duggar
2004-08-17 20:13 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-16 22:26 ` Ed Falis
2004-08-17 6:28 ` Keith H Duggar
2004-08-17 13:30 ` Ed Falis
2004-08-17 13:38 ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-18 3:30 ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-08-17 7:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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2004-08-18 8:58 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-26 5:22 ` Dave Thompson
2004-08-26 8:06 ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-08-26 13:37 ` Martin Krischik
2004-08-26 8:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-26 17:28 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-17 10:58 ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-17 11:33 ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 11:59 ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-17 12:49 ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 13:07 ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-19 14:53 ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 12:33 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-17 12:54 ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-26 1:27 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-08-26 11:49 ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-17 12:58 ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 13:06 ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 23:54 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-18 0:30 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-18 1:29 ` Björn Persson
2004-08-20 16:39 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-20 17:41 ` Richard Riehle [this message]
2004-08-21 23:23 ` fabio de francesco
2004-08-22 7:16 ` fabio de francesco
2004-08-22 9:44 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-23 0:18 ` fabio de francesco
2004-08-23 3:44 ` Wes Groleau
2004-08-26 21:36 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 11:39 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-29 15:08 ` jayessay
2004-08-30 19:59 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-02 14:26 ` jayessay
2004-08-30 20:21 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-23 15:23 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-26 21:08 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 5:23 ` Wes Groleau
2004-08-27 17:29 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 22:50 ` Wes Groleau
2004-08-27 11:45 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-27 18:22 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 19:14 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-28 14:17 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-28 18:07 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-29 16:14 ` jayessay
2004-08-30 17:30 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-27 21:42 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-29 6:22 ` Martin Krischik
2004-08-31 7:25 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-31 9:37 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-08-31 10:54 ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-31 12:42 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-31 13:22 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-31 16:02 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-31 17:29 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-08-31 20:17 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-01 7:08 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-01 12:25 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-01 14:27 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-01 20:21 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-02 7:59 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-02 13:33 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-02 14:38 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-02 15:33 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-02 16:32 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-02 18:50 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-31 9:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-31 11:51 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-02 19:10 ` Simon Wright
2004-09-12 11:02 ` Anders Gidenstam
2004-09-12 13:47 ` Simon Wright
2004-09-12 15:20 ` Anders Gidenstam
2004-09-12 16:36 ` Simon Wright
2004-09-12 18:33 ` Anders Gidenstam
2004-08-29 15:13 ` jayessay
2004-08-29 16:34 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-23 17:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-23 18:59 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-24 7:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-23 22:20 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-24 7:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-26 21:22 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-26 20:32 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 11:53 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-27 21:48 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-28 5:02 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-30 19:16 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-31 12:16 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-03 15:25 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-03 18:51 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-05 3:59 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-28 10:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-28 10:30 ` Adrian Knoth
2004-08-28 11:23 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-28 12:28 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-28 16:45 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-29 15:57 ` jayessay
2004-08-29 16:47 ` Richard Riehle
2004-09-03 16:43 ` jayessay
2004-09-05 4:36 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-05 16:13 ` Richard Riehle
2004-09-05 17:28 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-06 16:45 ` jayessay
2004-09-06 17:15 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07 15:13 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 15:57 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 15:57 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07 18:20 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 10:40 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 19:46 ` jayessay
2004-09-09 1:47 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-10 1:01 ` jayessay
2004-09-10 9:28 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-12 15:59 ` jayessay
2004-09-13 13:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-09 5:38 ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-09-10 1:04 ` jayessay
2004-09-10 21:51 ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-09-06 18:47 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 15:22 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 15:37 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 17:01 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 17:56 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 18:29 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 19:03 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 21:12 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 8:12 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 15:58 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 22:34 ` Björn Persson
2004-09-08 16:28 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 23:28 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-05 21:01 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-06 2:17 ` stephane richard
2004-09-06 21:12 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 8:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-07 15:25 ` jayessay
2004-09-05 18:28 ` Larry Kilgallen
[not found] ` <e749549b.0409042036.5d4822a2@posting.googlOrganization: LJK Software <vpblkhspuA9F@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2004-09-05 22:49 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-06 16:39 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 22:01 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-08 8:52 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-08 10:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 12:01 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-08 16:26 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 19:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-08 21:02 ` Björn Persson
2004-09-08 23:31 ` jayessay
2004-09-09 16:00 ` Björn Persson
2004-09-08 23:02 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-08 23:23 ` jayessay
2004-09-09 9:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-10 1:16 ` jayessay
2004-09-10 15:06 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-08 21:17 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-10 0:47 ` jayessay
2004-09-10 17:40 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-12 16:02 ` jayessay
2004-09-10 20:54 ` static typing and test-first development Lionel Draghi
2004-09-08 19:46 ` ADA Popularity Discussion Request Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-09 7:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-10 0:53 ` jayessay
2004-09-11 19:52 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-12 16:36 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 16:08 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 17:29 ` Richard Riehle
2004-09-08 23:01 ` jayessay
2004-09-28 8:14 ` Formal and informal type systems? (Was: ADA Popularity Discussion Request) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-09-28 9:05 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-28 10:05 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-28 11:02 ` Formal and informal type systems? Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-28 11:31 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-28 17:49 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-28 18:06 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-29 0:56 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29 9:10 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-28 18:54 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-28 18:57 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-28 20:19 ` jayessay
2004-09-28 20:34 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-28 21:03 ` jayessay
2004-09-29 10:23 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-29 15:32 ` jayessay
2004-09-28 23:47 ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-29 1:23 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29 9:11 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-29 10:30 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-29 7:49 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-29 17:53 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-30 8:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-29 10:37 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-28 20:20 ` Formal and informal type systems? (Was: ADA Popularity Discussion Request) Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-28 20:03 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-09 1:08 ` ADA Popularity Discussion Request Kevin Cline
2004-09-09 1:35 ` Ed Falis
2004-09-09 20:11 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-11 0:04 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-11 1:10 ` Ed Falis
2004-09-12 16:20 ` jayessay
2004-09-12 23:25 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-13 10:13 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-13 21:29 ` jayessay
2004-09-14 9:15 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-15 2:15 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-09 3:01 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-10 23:56 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-11 9:50 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-11 18:09 ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-11 18:33 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-12 6:00 ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-12 17:45 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-12 17:41 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-13 0:30 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13 6:06 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-12 0:51 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-12 6:05 ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-12 7:52 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-12 17:17 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-12 13:02 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-12 19:05 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
[not found] ` <zi1oZiVz9I4A@eisner.encoOrganization: LJK Software <UHjU2NulgeUs@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2004-09-12 21:21 ` Marin David Condic
2004-09-13 7:42 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-15 20:45 ` Marin David Condic
2004-09-16 8:03 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-16 18:45 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-17 7:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-13 0:48 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-13 14:25 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-13 5:56 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-13 11:49 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-13 13:30 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-14 17:14 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-14 17:29 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-13 14:58 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-13 16:01 ` Marius Amado Alves
[not found] ` <mailman.16.1095009448.390.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.Organization: LJK Software <7+giGppWCdX3@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2004-09-14 20:17 ` David Gay
2004-09-11 9:59 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-12 5:32 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-12 7:19 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-13 0:43 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13 16:40 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-13 21:19 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13 21:36 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-14 17:27 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-12 7:50 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-12 23:59 ` Brian May
2004-09-13 0:45 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13 6:19 ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-09-13 7:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-13 13:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13 15:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-13 15:51 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-14 8:32 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-14 9:07 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-14 14:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-14 15:57 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-15 8:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-15 9:30 ` Martin Dowie
2004-09-15 10:05 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-15 10:14 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-15 12:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-16 4:29 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-16 7:38 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-16 18:45 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-17 5:58 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-18 16:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-19 11:22 ` Simon Wright
2004-09-19 12:22 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-19 18:04 ` Simon Wright
2004-09-20 7:36 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-20 20:41 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-21 8:11 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-22 20:51 ` Simon Wright
2004-09-16 8:01 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-14 20:35 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-15 8:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-16 18:43 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-14 16:28 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-11 11:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-14 16:50 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-14 17:32 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-09 19:58 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-11 0:07 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-11 12:06 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-12 16:33 ` jayessay
2004-09-13 12:43 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-13 6:58 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-13 13:06 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-12 16:30 ` jayessay
2004-09-12 22:55 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-12 23:08 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-13 2:37 ` John B. Matthews
2004-09-13 21:28 ` jayessay
2004-09-13 13:08 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-09 0:13 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-09 1:07 ` Testing v compile time checks for errors Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-11 0:23 ` ADA Popularity Discussion Request Kevin Cline
2004-09-14 0:17 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-12 16:22 ` jayessay
2004-09-14 0:49 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-14 14:28 ` jayessay
2004-09-06 21:01 ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-13 6:23 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-07 2:16 ` Richard Riehle
2004-09-07 3:57 ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-07 16:42 ` Richard Riehle
2004-09-07 20:51 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 22:21 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-08 5:26 ` Richard Riehle
2004-09-08 6:56 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-08 15:56 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 15:36 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 15:37 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-08 10:29 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 16:04 ` jayessay
2004-09-09 2:52 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-07 7:46 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-14 20:14 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-20 21:45 ` Lurker
2004-09-07 22:37 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-06 7:49 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-06 16:36 ` jayessay
2004-09-06 17:32 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07 13:48 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 15:13 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07 15:54 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 12:33 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 13:17 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-09 1:02 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-09 9:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-07 22:18 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-08-28 14:45 ` User Name
2004-08-28 20:02 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-08-30 12:20 ` Jano
2004-08-20 19:50 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-26 20:42 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 1:22 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-27 15:22 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 16:26 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-30 19:08 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 18:08 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-28 14:05 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-26 21:52 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-20 17:53 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-08-21 1:34 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-18 0:37 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-18 1:53 ` Steve
2004-08-18 8:58 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-18 10:04 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-08-18 17:55 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-18 17:58 ` Ed Falis
2004-08-19 7:41 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-08-19 14:36 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-08-30 14:00 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-08-30 15:27 ` Martin Krischik
2004-08-25 18:26 ` John Kern
2004-08-18 10:32 ` Björn Persson
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