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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: ADA Popularity Discussion Request
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:50:07 +0200
Date: 2004-08-17T09:50:07+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <u36tfgiufg9v.11kphr1rbvwq8$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: b47de02.0408161309.151f6a53@posting.google.com

On 16 Aug 2004 14:09:41 -0700, Keith H Duggar wrote:

> "Ada was an experiment that failed. It was specified in such a way
> that it's hard to get adequate performance.

Theoretically Ada has better support for optimizations than C. For example,
in C you can get pointer to any object. This assumes that compiler is
restricted in how and where it allocates them. In Ada an object has to be
"aliased" to allow that. Another example is

for Index in A'Range loop
   A (I) := ... -- There is no need to check array bounds

Yet another example, in C++ any call to a virtual function is dispatching.
In Ada it is only when the object is class-wide. For an OO application the
difference in terms performance could be huge.

> Or are there simply missing features that preclude some
> efficient coding idioms (does Ada have pointers?). I'm
> very ignorant when it comes to Ada so please forgive these
> newbie questions.

Yes, Ada has pointers, and interestingly, because that wasn't design
intent, richer than C++ has.

1. Ada has specific and class-wide pointers. In C++ all pointers are
class-wide. Dereferenced class-wide pointers dispatch on member functions.
In Ada you have a choice.

2. Ada has anonymous pointers. It is difficult to find any equivalent in
C++, because it has many limitations Ada does not have. It is something
like:

class X  // This is not C++!
{
public :
   friend void Foo (int Something, virtual X * This);

3. Ada has pool-specific and general access pointers. A rough C++
equivalent would be operators new and operator delete. But Ada is more
flexible here, its "new" is attached not to the object type, but to the
pointer one. So you can have many pools of objects of same type.

4. Ada pointers are true types. In C++ pointers have structure equivalence.
The difference appears when building large libraries. Consider objects of
type X to be sorted using different ways. In Ada you can:

type X_By_Name is access X; -- Pointer to X
function "<" (Left, Right : X_By_Name) return Boolean;
   -- Dereferences and compares names

type X_By_Value is access X; -- Another pointer to X
function "<" (Left, Right : X_By_Values) return Boolean;
   -- Dereferences and compares values

Now, you can instantiate a Sort procedure once with X_By_Name and its "<"
and once with X_By_Value and its "<". The result is two different sorts
with no extra control parameters to pass and no subsequent parameter
checks.

5. Ada pointers are transparent to member extraction and array indexing.
I.e. in Ada "->" and "." are same.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



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2004-08-11 13:56 ADA Popularity Discussion Request Chris Humphries
2004-08-11 14:14 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-11 15:39   ` sk
2004-08-11 15:54   ` Marc A. Criley
2004-08-12  4:54     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-08-13  2:29     ` Brian May
2004-08-13  5:27       ` Ada " Puckdropper
2004-08-21  3:41       ` ADA " Wes Groleau
2004-08-26 21:11       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-08-27 10:30         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-31 16:34           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-08-31 17:48             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-01 16:58               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-09-10 23:12         ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-12 16:50           ` jayessay
2004-08-11 15:45 ` Jerry Petrey
2004-08-11 15:55   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-11 16:54     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-11 17:14 ` Nick Roberts
2004-08-11 18:00   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-12 11:48   ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-26  8:07   ` Adrian Hoe
2004-08-26 11:52     ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-27  8:10       ` Adrian Hoe
2004-08-27 14:37         ` Ed Falis
2004-08-27 17:52           ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-27 18:20             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-27 22:45             ` Wes Groleau
2004-09-03  6:48             ` Adrian Hoe
2004-09-03 12:14               ` stephane richard
2004-09-03 17:33                 ` Björn Persson
2004-08-11 18:58 ` fabio de francesco
2004-08-12  0:05   ` Larry Elmore
2004-08-12 12:29     ` Adam Ruth
2004-08-12 13:25       ` Hardest to read (was: ADA Popularity Discussion Request) Björn Persson
2004-08-12 15:59         ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-08-12 17:31         ` Frank
2004-08-12 20:42         ` Gnat for x86 Solaris David C. Hoos
2004-08-13 19:06           ` Andreas Almroth
2004-08-16 16:19         ` Hardest to read (was: ADA Popularity Discussion Request) Frank J. Lhota
2004-08-13  6:55       ` ADA Popularity Discussion Request Wojtek Narczynski
2004-08-12 22:41 ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-12 23:20   ` Ed Falis
2004-08-13  0:37     ` Nick Roberts
2004-08-13  1:22       ` Ed Falis
2004-08-13  7:01     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-13  2:55   ` Matt Morgan
2004-08-14  7:26 ` j
     [not found]   ` <fvavh0lmv0644gn5dt45sbj574t3ivqhlt@4ax.com>
2004-08-15 21:26     ` Nick Roberts
2004-08-16  1:02       ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-16 21:09 ` Keith H Duggar
2004-08-16 22:24   ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-16 22:30     ` Ed Falis
2004-08-17  6:13     ` Keith H Duggar
2004-08-17 20:13       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-16 22:26   ` Ed Falis
2004-08-17  6:28     ` Keith H Duggar
2004-08-17 13:30       ` Ed Falis
2004-08-17 13:38         ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-18  3:30       ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-08-17  7:50   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
     [not found]     ` <mfb4i09d5kqk8fjdfmrj62kgmooftf1ma8@4ax.com>
2004-08-18  8:58       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-26  5:22     ` Dave Thompson
2004-08-26  8:06       ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-08-26 13:37         ` Martin Krischik
2004-08-26  8:14       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-26 17:28         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-17 10:58   ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-17 11:33     ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 11:59       ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-17 12:49         ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 13:07           ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-19 14:53             ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 12:33     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-17 12:54       ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-26  1:27         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-08-26 11:49           ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-17 12:58       ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 13:06         ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 23:54   ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-18  0:30     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-18  1:29       ` Björn Persson
2004-08-20 16:39       ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-20 17:41         ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-21 23:23           ` fabio de francesco
2004-08-22  7:16             ` fabio de francesco
2004-08-22  9:44             ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-23  0:18               ` fabio de francesco
2004-08-23  3:44                 ` Wes Groleau
2004-08-26 21:36                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 11:39                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-29 15:08                     ` jayessay
2004-08-30 19:59                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-02 14:26                         ` jayessay
2004-08-30 20:21                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-23 15:23                 ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-26 21:08                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27  5:23                     ` Wes Groleau
2004-08-27 17:29                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 22:50                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-08-27 11:45                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-27 18:22                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 19:14                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-28 14:17                           ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-28 18:07                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-29 16:14                               ` jayessay
2004-08-30 17:30                             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-27 21:42                         ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-29  6:22                         ` Martin Krischik
2004-08-31  7:25                           ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-31  9:37                             ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-08-31 10:54                               ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-31 12:42                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-31 13:22                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-31 16:02                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-31 17:29                                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-08-31 20:17                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-01  7:08                                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-01 12:25                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-01 14:27                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-01 20:21                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-02  7:59                                     ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-02 13:33                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-02 14:38                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-02 15:33                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-02 16:32                                         ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-02 18:50                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-31  9:57                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-31 11:51                             ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-02 19:10                             ` Simon Wright
2004-09-12 11:02                               ` Anders Gidenstam
2004-09-12 13:47                                 ` Simon Wright
2004-09-12 15:20                                   ` Anders Gidenstam
2004-09-12 16:36                                     ` Simon Wright
2004-09-12 18:33                                       ` Anders Gidenstam
2004-08-29 15:13                   ` jayessay
2004-08-29 16:34                     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-23 17:27                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-23 18:59                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-24  7:07                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-23 22:20                   ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-24  7:07                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-26 21:22                 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-26 20:32             ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 11:53               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-27 21:48                 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-28  5:02                   ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-30 19:16                     ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-31 12:16                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-03 15:25                         ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-03 18:51                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-05  3:59                             ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-28 10:20                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-28 10:30                     ` Adrian Knoth
2004-08-28 11:23                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-28 12:28                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-28 16:45                         ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-29 15:57                           ` jayessay
2004-08-29 16:47                             ` Richard  Riehle
2004-09-03 16:43                               ` jayessay
2004-09-05  4:36                                 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-05 16:13                                   ` Richard  Riehle
2004-09-05 17:28                                   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-06 16:45                                     ` jayessay
2004-09-06 17:15                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07 15:13                                         ` jayessay
2004-09-07 15:57                                           ` jayessay
2004-09-07 15:57                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07 18:20                                             ` jayessay
2004-09-08 10:40                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 19:46                                                 ` jayessay
2004-09-09  1:47                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-10  1:01                                                     ` jayessay
2004-09-10  9:28                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-12 15:59                                                         ` jayessay
2004-09-13 13:19                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-09  5:38                                                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-09-10  1:04                                                     ` jayessay
2004-09-10 21:51                                                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-09-06 18:47                                       ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 15:22                                         ` jayessay
2004-09-07 15:37                                           ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 17:01                                             ` jayessay
2004-09-07 17:56                                               ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 18:29                                                 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 19:03                                                   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 21:12                                                     ` jayessay
2004-09-08  8:12                                                       ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 15:58                                           ` jayessay
2004-09-07 22:34                                           ` Björn Persson
2004-09-08 16:28                                             ` jayessay
2004-09-08 23:28                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-05 21:01                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-06  2:17                                     ` stephane richard
2004-09-06 21:12                                   ` jayessay
2004-09-07  8:23                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-07 15:25                                       ` jayessay
2004-09-05 18:28                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                 ` <e749549b.0409042036.5d4822a2@posting.googlOrganization: LJK Software <vpblkhspuA9F@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2004-09-05 22:49                                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-06 16:39                                     ` jayessay
2004-09-07 22:01                                       ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-08  8:52                                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-08 10:20                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 12:01                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-08 16:26                                             ` jayessay
2004-09-08 19:12                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-08 21:02                                                 ` Björn Persson
2004-09-08 23:31                                                   ` jayessay
2004-09-09 16:00                                                     ` Björn Persson
2004-09-08 23:02                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-08 23:23                                                 ` jayessay
2004-09-09  9:12                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-10  1:16                                                     ` jayessay
2004-09-10 15:06                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-08 21:17                                               ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-10  0:47                                                 ` jayessay
2004-09-10 17:40                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-12 16:02                                                     ` jayessay
2004-09-10 20:54                                                   ` static typing and test-first development Lionel Draghi
2004-09-08 19:46                                             ` ADA Popularity Discussion Request Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-09  7:57                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-10  0:53                                               ` jayessay
2004-09-11 19:52                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-12 16:36                                                   ` jayessay
2004-09-08 16:08                                           ` jayessay
2004-09-08 17:29                                             ` Richard  Riehle
2004-09-08 23:01                                               ` jayessay
2004-09-28  8:14                                                 ` Formal and informal type systems? (Was: ADA Popularity Discussion Request) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-09-28  9:05                                                   ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-28 10:05                                                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-28 11:02                                                       ` Formal and informal type systems? Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-28 11:31                                                         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-28 17:49                                                           ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-28 18:06                                                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-29  0:56                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29  9:10                                                             ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-28 18:54                                                         ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-28 18:57                                                           ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-28 20:19                                                           ` jayessay
2004-09-28 20:34                                                             ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-28 21:03                                                               ` jayessay
2004-09-29 10:23                                                                 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-29 15:32                                                                   ` jayessay
2004-09-28 23:47                                                           ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-29  1:23                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29  9:11                                                             ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-29 10:30                                                             ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-29  7:49                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-29 17:53                                                             ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-30  8:25                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-29 10:37                                                           ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-28 20:20                                                       ` Formal and informal type systems? (Was: ADA Popularity Discussion Request) Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-28 20:03                                                   ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-09  1:08                                         ` ADA Popularity Discussion Request Kevin Cline
2004-09-09  1:35                                           ` Ed Falis
2004-09-09 20:11                                             ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-11  0:04                                               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-11  1:10                                                 ` Ed Falis
2004-09-12 16:20                                               ` jayessay
2004-09-12 23:25                                                 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-13 10:13                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-13 21:29                                                   ` jayessay
2004-09-14  9:15                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-15  2:15                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-09  3:01                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-10 23:56                                             ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-11  9:50                                               ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-11 18:09                                                 ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-11 18:33                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-12  6:00                                                     ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-12 17:45                                                       ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-12 17:41                                                     ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-13  0:30                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13  6:06                                                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-12  0:51                                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-12  6:05                                                     ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-12  7:52                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-12 17:17                                                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-12 13:02                                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-12 19:05                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
     [not found]                                                   ` <zi1oZiVz9I4A@eisner.encoOrganization: LJK Software <UHjU2NulgeUs@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2004-09-12 21:21                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-09-13  7:42                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-15 20:45                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-09-16  8:03                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-16 18:45                                                             ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-17  7:29                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-13  0:48                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-13 14:25                                                   ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-13  5:56                                                 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-13 11:49                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-13 13:30                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-14 17:14                                                     ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-14 17:29                                                     ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-13 14:58                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-13 16:01                                                   ` Marius Amado Alves
     [not found]                                                 ` <mailman.16.1095009448.390.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.Organization: LJK Software <7+giGppWCdX3@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2004-09-14 20:17                                                   ` David Gay
2004-09-11  9:59                                               ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-12  5:32                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-12  7:19                                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-13  0:43                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13 16:40                                                       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-13 21:19                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13 21:36                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-14 17:27                                                           ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-12  7:50                                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-12 23:59                                                     ` Brian May
2004-09-13  0:45                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13  6:19                                                       ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-09-13  7:50                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-13 13:35                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13 15:39                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-13 15:51                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-14  8:32                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-14  9:07                                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-14 14:04                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-14 15:57                                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-15  8:29                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-15  9:30                                                                           ` Martin Dowie
2004-09-15 10:05                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-15 10:14                                                                           ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-15 12:50                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-16  4:29                                                                     ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-16  7:38                                                                       ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-16 18:45                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-17  5:58                                                                           ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-18 16:44                                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-19 11:22                                                                               ` Simon Wright
2004-09-19 12:22                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-19 18:04                                                                                   ` Simon Wright
2004-09-20  7:36                                                                                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-20 20:41                                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-21  8:11                                                                               ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-22 20:51                                                                                 ` Simon Wright
2004-09-16  8:01                                                                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-14 20:35                                                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-15  8:29                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-16 18:43                                                                       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-14 16:28                                                 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-11 11:44                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-14 16:50                                                 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-14 17:32                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-09 19:58                                           ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-11  0:07                                             ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-11 12:06                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-12 16:33                                                 ` jayessay
2004-09-13 12:43                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-13  6:58                                                 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-13 13:06                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-12 16:30                                               ` jayessay
2004-09-12 22:55                                                 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-12 23:08                                                 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-13  2:37                                                   ` John B. Matthews
2004-09-13 21:28                                                   ` jayessay
2004-09-13 13:08                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-09  0:13                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-09  1:07                                         ` Testing v compile time checks for errors Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-11  0:23                                         ` ADA Popularity Discussion Request Kevin Cline
2004-09-14  0:17                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-12 16:22                                         ` jayessay
2004-09-14  0:49                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-14 14:28                                             ` jayessay
2004-09-06 21:01                                     ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-13  6:23                                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-07  2:16                                     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-09-07  3:57                                       ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-07 16:42                                         ` Richard  Riehle
2004-09-07 20:51                                           ` jayessay
2004-09-07 22:21                                             ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-08  5:26                                               ` Richard  Riehle
2004-09-08  6:56                                                 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-08 15:56                                                   ` jayessay
2004-09-08 15:36                                               ` jayessay
2004-09-08 15:37                                                 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-08 10:29                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 16:04                                               ` jayessay
2004-09-09  2:52                                           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-07  7:46                                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-14 20:14                                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-20 21:45                                         ` Lurker
2004-09-07 22:37                                     ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-06  7:49                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-06 16:36                                   ` jayessay
2004-09-06 17:32                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07 13:48                                       ` jayessay
2004-09-07 15:13                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07 15:54                                           ` jayessay
2004-09-08 12:33                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 13:17                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-09  1:02                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-09  9:15                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-07 22:18                                     ` Lionel Draghi
2004-08-28 14:45                     ` User Name
2004-08-28 20:02                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-08-30 12:20                   ` Jano
2004-08-20 19:50         ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-26 20:42           ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27  1:22             ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-27 15:22               ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 16:26                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-30 19:08                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 18:08                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-28 14:05                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-26 21:52           ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-20 17:53       ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-08-21  1:34         ` Richard  Riehle
2004-08-18  0:37     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-18  1:53     ` Steve
2004-08-18  8:58     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-18 10:04       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-08-18 17:55         ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-18 17:58           ` Ed Falis
2004-08-19  7:41           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-08-19 14:36             ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-08-30 14:00               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-08-30 15:27                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-08-25 18:26         ` John Kern
2004-08-18 10:32       ` Björn Persson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-08-26  2:08 Robert C. Leif
2004-08-31 17:58 Lionel.DRAGHI
2004-09-01  7:21 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-01 12:18 Lionel.DRAGHI
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