From: kevin.cline@gmail.com (Kevin Cline)
Subject: Re: ADA Popularity Discussion Request
Date: 26 Aug 2004 13:42:32 -0700
Date: 2004-08-26T13:42:32-07:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e749549b.0408261242.71729605@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4CsVc.28876$9Y6.4063@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net
Jeffrey Carter <spam@spam.com> wrote in message news:<4CsVc.28876$9Y6.4063@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> Kevin Cline wrote:
>
> > I think the very existence of limited types is a fundamental flaw in
> > Ada.
>
> The ability to create types for which there are no operations except
> those defined by the developer is essential for creating useful
> abstractions. Since the creation of useful abstractions is the hallmark
> of software engineering, it is not surprising that Ada is the language
> of choice for the 2% of developers who are software engineers, and
> disliked by the 98% who are coders and should not be allowed to design
> software of any importance.
It's unfortunate to see this circular ad-hominem argument is repeated
over and over again in this newsgroup. "I am a good programmer. I
like Ada. Therefore all good programmers should like Ada.
Programmers who don't like Ada must be poor programmers." And even
the first assertion is doubtful.
No progress can come from this argument. Better to notice that a lot
of very good programmers have rejected Ada, and figure out why.
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2004-08-11 13:56 ADA Popularity Discussion Request Chris Humphries
2004-08-11 14:14 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-11 15:39 ` sk
2004-08-11 15:54 ` Marc A. Criley
2004-08-12 4:54 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-08-13 2:29 ` Brian May
2004-08-13 5:27 ` Ada " Puckdropper
2004-08-21 3:41 ` ADA " Wes Groleau
2004-08-26 21:11 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-08-27 10:30 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-31 16:34 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-08-31 17:48 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-01 16:58 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-09-10 23:12 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-12 16:50 ` jayessay
2004-08-11 15:45 ` Jerry Petrey
2004-08-11 15:55 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-11 16:54 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-11 17:14 ` Nick Roberts
2004-08-11 18:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-12 11:48 ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-26 8:07 ` Adrian Hoe
2004-08-26 11:52 ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-27 8:10 ` Adrian Hoe
2004-08-27 14:37 ` Ed Falis
2004-08-27 17:52 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-27 18:20 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-27 22:45 ` Wes Groleau
2004-09-03 6:48 ` Adrian Hoe
2004-09-03 12:14 ` stephane richard
2004-09-03 17:33 ` Björn Persson
2004-08-11 18:58 ` fabio de francesco
2004-08-12 0:05 ` Larry Elmore
2004-08-12 12:29 ` Adam Ruth
2004-08-12 13:25 ` Hardest to read (was: ADA Popularity Discussion Request) Björn Persson
2004-08-12 15:59 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-08-12 17:31 ` Frank
2004-08-12 20:42 ` Gnat for x86 Solaris David C. Hoos
2004-08-13 19:06 ` Andreas Almroth
2004-08-16 16:19 ` Hardest to read (was: ADA Popularity Discussion Request) Frank J. Lhota
2004-08-13 6:55 ` ADA Popularity Discussion Request Wojtek Narczynski
2004-08-12 22:41 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-12 23:20 ` Ed Falis
2004-08-13 0:37 ` Nick Roberts
2004-08-13 1:22 ` Ed Falis
2004-08-13 7:01 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-13 2:55 ` Matt Morgan
2004-08-14 7:26 ` j
[not found] ` <fvavh0lmv0644gn5dt45sbj574t3ivqhlt@4ax.com>
2004-08-15 21:26 ` Nick Roberts
2004-08-16 1:02 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-16 21:09 ` Keith H Duggar
2004-08-16 22:24 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-16 22:30 ` Ed Falis
2004-08-17 6:13 ` Keith H Duggar
2004-08-17 20:13 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-16 22:26 ` Ed Falis
2004-08-17 6:28 ` Keith H Duggar
2004-08-17 13:30 ` Ed Falis
2004-08-17 13:38 ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-18 3:30 ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-08-17 7:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
[not found] ` <mfb4i09d5kqk8fjdfmrj62kgmooftf1ma8@4ax.com>
2004-08-18 8:58 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-26 5:22 ` Dave Thompson
2004-08-26 8:06 ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-08-26 13:37 ` Martin Krischik
2004-08-26 8:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-26 17:28 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-17 10:58 ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-17 11:33 ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 11:59 ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-17 12:49 ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 13:07 ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-19 14:53 ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 12:33 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-17 12:54 ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-26 1:27 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-08-26 11:49 ` Marin David Condic
2004-08-17 12:58 ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 13:06 ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-17 23:54 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-18 0:30 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-18 1:29 ` Björn Persson
2004-08-20 16:39 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-20 17:41 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-21 23:23 ` fabio de francesco
2004-08-22 7:16 ` fabio de francesco
2004-08-22 9:44 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-23 0:18 ` fabio de francesco
2004-08-23 3:44 ` Wes Groleau
2004-08-26 21:36 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 11:39 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-29 15:08 ` jayessay
2004-08-30 19:59 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-02 14:26 ` jayessay
2004-08-30 20:21 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-23 15:23 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-26 21:08 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 5:23 ` Wes Groleau
2004-08-27 17:29 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 22:50 ` Wes Groleau
2004-08-27 11:45 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-27 18:22 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 19:14 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-28 14:17 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-28 18:07 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-29 16:14 ` jayessay
2004-08-30 17:30 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-27 21:42 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-29 6:22 ` Martin Krischik
2004-08-31 7:25 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-31 9:37 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-08-31 10:54 ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-31 12:42 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-31 13:22 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-31 16:02 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-31 17:29 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-08-31 20:17 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-01 7:08 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-01 12:25 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-01 14:27 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-01 20:21 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-02 7:59 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-02 13:33 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-02 14:38 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-02 15:33 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-02 16:32 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-02 18:50 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-08-31 9:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-31 11:51 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-02 19:10 ` Simon Wright
2004-09-12 11:02 ` Anders Gidenstam
2004-09-12 13:47 ` Simon Wright
2004-09-12 15:20 ` Anders Gidenstam
2004-09-12 16:36 ` Simon Wright
2004-09-12 18:33 ` Anders Gidenstam
2004-08-29 15:13 ` jayessay
2004-08-29 16:34 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-23 17:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-23 18:59 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-24 7:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-23 22:20 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-24 7:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-26 21:22 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-26 20:32 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 11:53 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-27 21:48 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-28 5:02 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-30 19:16 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-31 12:16 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-03 15:25 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-03 18:51 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-05 3:59 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-28 10:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-28 10:30 ` Adrian Knoth
2004-08-28 11:23 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-28 12:28 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-28 16:45 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-29 15:57 ` jayessay
2004-08-29 16:47 ` Richard Riehle
2004-09-03 16:43 ` jayessay
2004-09-05 4:36 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-05 16:13 ` Richard Riehle
2004-09-05 17:28 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-06 16:45 ` jayessay
2004-09-06 17:15 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07 15:13 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 15:57 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 15:57 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07 18:20 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 10:40 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 19:46 ` jayessay
2004-09-09 1:47 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-10 1:01 ` jayessay
2004-09-10 9:28 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-12 15:59 ` jayessay
2004-09-13 13:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-09 5:38 ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-09-10 1:04 ` jayessay
2004-09-10 21:51 ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-09-06 18:47 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 15:22 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 15:37 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 17:01 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 17:56 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 18:29 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 19:03 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 21:12 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 8:12 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-07 15:58 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 22:34 ` Björn Persson
2004-09-08 16:28 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 23:28 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-05 21:01 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-06 2:17 ` stephane richard
2004-09-06 21:12 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 8:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-07 15:25 ` jayessay
2004-09-05 18:28 ` Larry Kilgallen
[not found] ` <e749549b.0409042036.5d4822a2@posting.googlOrganization: LJK Software <vpblkhspuA9F@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2004-09-05 22:49 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-06 16:39 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 22:01 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-08 8:52 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-08 10:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 12:01 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-08 16:26 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 19:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-08 21:02 ` Björn Persson
2004-09-08 23:31 ` jayessay
2004-09-09 16:00 ` Björn Persson
2004-09-08 23:02 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-08 23:23 ` jayessay
2004-09-09 9:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-10 1:16 ` jayessay
2004-09-10 15:06 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-08 21:17 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-10 0:47 ` jayessay
2004-09-10 17:40 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-12 16:02 ` jayessay
2004-09-10 20:54 ` static typing and test-first development Lionel Draghi
2004-09-08 19:46 ` ADA Popularity Discussion Request Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-09 7:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-10 0:53 ` jayessay
2004-09-11 19:52 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-12 16:36 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 16:08 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 17:29 ` Richard Riehle
2004-09-08 23:01 ` jayessay
2004-09-28 8:14 ` Formal and informal type systems? (Was: ADA Popularity Discussion Request) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-09-28 9:05 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-28 10:05 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-28 11:02 ` Formal and informal type systems? Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-28 11:31 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-28 17:49 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-28 18:06 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-29 0:56 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29 9:10 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-28 18:54 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-28 18:57 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-28 20:19 ` jayessay
2004-09-28 20:34 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-28 21:03 ` jayessay
2004-09-29 10:23 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-29 15:32 ` jayessay
2004-09-28 23:47 ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-29 1:23 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29 9:11 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-29 10:30 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-29 7:49 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-29 17:53 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-30 8:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-29 10:37 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-28 20:20 ` Formal and informal type systems? (Was: ADA Popularity Discussion Request) Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-28 20:03 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-09 1:08 ` ADA Popularity Discussion Request Kevin Cline
2004-09-09 1:35 ` Ed Falis
2004-09-09 20:11 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-11 0:04 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-11 1:10 ` Ed Falis
2004-09-12 16:20 ` jayessay
2004-09-12 23:25 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-13 10:13 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-13 21:29 ` jayessay
2004-09-14 9:15 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-15 2:15 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-09 3:01 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-10 23:56 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-11 9:50 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-11 18:09 ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-11 18:33 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-12 6:00 ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-12 17:45 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-12 17:41 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-13 0:30 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13 6:06 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-12 0:51 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-12 6:05 ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-12 7:52 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-12 17:17 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-12 13:02 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-12 19:05 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
[not found] ` <zi1oZiVz9I4A@eisner.encoOrganization: LJK Software <UHjU2NulgeUs@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2004-09-12 21:21 ` Marin David Condic
2004-09-13 7:42 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-15 20:45 ` Marin David Condic
2004-09-16 8:03 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-16 18:45 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-17 7:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-13 0:48 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-13 14:25 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-13 5:56 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-13 11:49 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-13 13:30 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-14 17:14 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-14 17:29 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-13 14:58 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-13 16:01 ` Marius Amado Alves
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2004-09-14 20:17 ` David Gay
2004-09-11 9:59 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-12 5:32 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-12 7:19 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-13 0:43 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13 16:40 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-13 21:19 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13 21:36 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-14 17:27 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-12 7:50 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-12 23:59 ` Brian May
2004-09-13 0:45 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13 6:19 ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-09-13 7:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-13 13:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-13 15:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-13 15:51 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-14 8:32 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-14 9:07 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-14 14:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-14 15:57 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-15 8:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-15 9:30 ` Martin Dowie
2004-09-15 10:05 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-15 10:14 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-15 12:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-16 4:29 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-16 7:38 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-16 18:45 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-17 5:58 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-18 16:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-19 11:22 ` Simon Wright
2004-09-19 12:22 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-19 18:04 ` Simon Wright
2004-09-20 7:36 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-20 20:41 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-21 8:11 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-22 20:51 ` Simon Wright
2004-09-16 8:01 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-14 20:35 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-15 8:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-16 18:43 ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-14 16:28 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-11 11:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-14 16:50 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-14 17:32 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-09 19:58 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-11 0:07 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-11 12:06 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-12 16:33 ` jayessay
2004-09-13 12:43 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-13 6:58 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-13 13:06 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-12 16:30 ` jayessay
2004-09-12 22:55 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-12 23:08 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-13 2:37 ` John B. Matthews
2004-09-13 21:28 ` jayessay
2004-09-13 13:08 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-09 0:13 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-09 1:07 ` Testing v compile time checks for errors Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-11 0:23 ` ADA Popularity Discussion Request Kevin Cline
2004-09-14 0:17 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-12 16:22 ` jayessay
2004-09-14 0:49 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-14 14:28 ` jayessay
2004-09-06 21:01 ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-13 6:23 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-07 2:16 ` Richard Riehle
2004-09-07 3:57 ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-07 16:42 ` Richard Riehle
2004-09-07 20:51 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 22:21 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-08 5:26 ` Richard Riehle
2004-09-08 6:56 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-08 15:56 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 15:36 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 15:37 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2004-09-08 10:29 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 16:04 ` jayessay
2004-09-09 2:52 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-07 7:46 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-14 20:14 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-20 21:45 ` Lurker
2004-09-07 22:37 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-09-06 7:49 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-06 16:36 ` jayessay
2004-09-06 17:32 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07 13:48 ` jayessay
2004-09-07 15:13 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07 15:54 ` jayessay
2004-09-08 12:33 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 13:17 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-09 1:02 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-09 9:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-07 22:18 ` Lionel Draghi
2004-08-28 14:45 ` User Name
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2004-08-20 19:50 ` Jeffrey Carter
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2004-08-27 1:22 ` Jeffrey Carter
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2004-08-27 16:26 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-30 19:08 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-27 18:08 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-28 14:05 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-26 21:52 ` Kevin Cline
2004-08-20 17:53 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-08-21 1:34 ` Richard Riehle
2004-08-18 0:37 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-18 1:53 ` Steve
2004-08-18 8:58 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-08-18 10:04 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-08-18 17:55 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-18 17:58 ` Ed Falis
2004-08-19 7:41 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-08-19 14:36 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-08-30 14:00 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
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