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From: "Jeffrey R. Carter" <spam.jrcarter.not@spam.not.acm.org>
Subject: Re: Not to incite a language war but apparently the Corona lockdown was based on 13 year old undocumented C-Code
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 23:27:14 +0200
Date: 2020-05-12T23:27:14+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <r9f4bk$oa0$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <hi0b03FgtgnU1@mid.individual.net>

On 5/12/20 9:16 PM, Niklas Holsti wrote:
>>
>> It seems clear that the code that was executed to create the predictions was 
>> not deterministic on a single core.
> 
> The first of the two cases of single-core "non-determinism" described and 
> bewailed in the "review" is that the time evolution of the predicted epidemic is 
> different depending on the value of a program option -- whether the "network" is 
> created anew, or reused -- that should not affect the result. No actual 
> non-determinism is claimed in the review, just that the epidemic reaches large 
> infection rates sooner for one option value than for the other. It seems that 
> the code was using the PRN generator slightly differently in the two cases, 
> resulting in different PRN sequences.

The single-core non-determinism that I gathered from the referenced 
interpretation of the review, which I clearly have not studied as carefully as 
you, was that the program gave different results on the same computer for 
identical inputs: same initial conditions and same RNG seed(s). Perhaps I 
misunderstood, but that was what I got from it, and the only part that seemed 
troubling. This is different from the kind of non-determinism of simulations 
that are intended to be run many times with different RNG seeds. Possibly that 
would be caused by accessing uninitialized variables.

-- 
Jeff Carter
"I did not rob a bank. If I'd robbed a bank, everything
would be great. I tried to rob a bank, is what happened,
and they got me."
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  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-12 21:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-11 18:49 Not to incite a language war but apparently the Corona lockdown was based on 13 year old undocumented C-Code Rick Newbie
2020-05-11 20:27 ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-11 21:12   ` Rick Newbie
2020-05-12 20:11     ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-12 20:53       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-05-12 21:54         ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-12 22:15       ` Rick Newbie
2020-05-13 11:07         ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-13 13:23           ` Rick Newbie
2020-05-13 13:45             ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-13 14:58               ` Rick Newbie
2020-05-13 15:31                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-05-13 15:48                   ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-11 21:45   ` gautier_niouzes
2020-05-12 15:56     ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-11 21:55   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2020-05-12 19:16     ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-12 21:27       ` Jeffrey R. Carter [this message]
2020-05-12 22:20         ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-12 22:39           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2020-05-13  9:36             ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-13 13:52               ` Optikos
2020-05-13 14:05                 ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-13 18:58                   ` Optikos
2020-05-13 20:29                     ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-13 21:02                       ` Optikos
2020-05-13 21:48                         ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-13 22:13                           ` Optikos
2020-05-13  9:54         ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-13  0:25 ` Olivier Henley
2020-05-15 13:23   ` Optikos
2020-05-16  5:01 ` Anatoly Chernyshev
2020-05-28 21:45   ` Optikos
2020-06-11 17:28   ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-11 17:36     ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-11 22:43     ` Anatoly Chernyshev
2020-06-12 12:10       ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-12 12:34         ` Anatoly Chernyshev
2020-06-12 17:36           ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-21  9:18             ` Anatoly Chernyshev
2020-06-22 13:36               ` Olivier Henley
2020-05-16 22:31 ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-16 23:54   ` Optikos
2020-05-17 15:41     ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-17 17:38       ` Optikos
2020-05-17 18:00         ` Simon Wright
2020-05-17 20:56           ` Optikos
2020-05-17 21:20             ` Simon Wright
2020-05-17 21:45               ` Optikos
2020-05-18  7:34                 ` Simon Wright
2020-05-17 19:20         ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-17 21:30           ` Optikos
2020-05-24 21:04 ` Bob Goddard
2020-05-31 15:01 ` Azathoth Hastur
2020-06-09  6:30 ` gautier_niouzes
2020-06-11 15:35 ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-11 15:49   ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-11 18:41     ` Anh Vo
2020-06-11 19:58       ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-11 20:41         ` Anh Vo
2020-06-11 20:47           ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-11 21:34             ` Anh Vo
2020-06-11 21:47               ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-11 21:39             ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-11 23:14               ` Anh Vo
2020-06-11 23:30                 ` Jere
2020-06-11 23:55                   ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-12  0:07                 ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-12  0:42                   ` Anh Vo
2020-06-12 11:08                     ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-12  7:03   ` gautier_niouzes
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