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From: Optikos <ZUERCHER_Andreas@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: Not to incite a language war but apparently the Corona lockdown was based on 13 year old undocumented C-Code
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 14:45:46 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2020-05-17T14:45:46-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f92d456f-a207-4265-8914-319c8c91e4df@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ly8shq6yyj.fsf@pushface.org>

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 4:20:07 PM UTC-5, Simon Wright wrote:
> Optikos writes:
> 
> > On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 1:00:10 PM UTC-5, Simon Wright wrote:
> >> Optikos writes:
> >> 
> >> > Given that the Ferguson model is repeatedly overestimating calamity
> >> > for multiple epidemics/pandemics for over a decade now
> >> 
> >> Can you point us to the evidence for this? (again, if necessary)
> >
> > Yes, I'd be glad to.  (But I am not endorsing any of this content.  I
> > am merely saying that it should be taken as input to debate Anatoly's
> > source code and any other Ada pandemic forecasting models that might
> > arise, as such criticisms in the popular press or social-critique
> > press serve as some degree of expectations that society places upon
> > software modeling.)
> >
> > repeated from the thread above:
> > https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/six-questions-that-neil-ferguson-should-be-asked/amp
> >
> > and links therein.
> 
> First reactions: Not a huge fan of the Spectator, and certainly not of
> that journalist who "is The Spectator's gossip columnist, serving up the
> latest tittle tattle from Westminster and beyond".

Hence why I overtly stated “and links therein”.  Are you likewise not a fan of The Telegraph and its Katherine Rushton and Daniel Faggo?

paywalled:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/28/neil-ferguson-scientist-convinced-boris-johnson-uk-coronavirus-lockdown-criticised

somewhat more excerpts from The Telegraph article:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/01/uk-government-lockdown-policy-may-be-based-on-dodgy-modelling

Are you likewise not a fan of Breitbart and its James Delingpole?

Here is a linked-therein critique of Ferguson's model dating back to foot-&-mouth disease era:
https://www.research.ed.ac.uk/portal/files/14288330/Use_and_abuse_of_mathematical_models_an_illustration_from_the_2001_foot_and_mouth_disease_epidemic_in_the_United_Kingdom.pdf

Despite lack of fandom, at their core the main thrust of these articles does not seem heavy-handed propagandistic or hardline politicizing of the topic.  At their core, they seem to quoting excerpts of upstream work and saying these critiques exist and here is the link to the upstream work at which the interested reader may read further.  Perhaps ad hominem against the gossip columnist is not especially warranted in this case in a don't-kill-the-messenger moral of the story.

Again I reiterate from a prior reply above, these writings in the popular press and the critical-thinking press set a degree of expectation for an Ada model of pandemic forecasting to perhaps live up to, if they have merit.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-17 21:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-11 18:49 Not to incite a language war but apparently the Corona lockdown was based on 13 year old undocumented C-Code Rick Newbie
2020-05-11 20:27 ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-11 21:12   ` Rick Newbie
2020-05-12 20:11     ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-12 20:53       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-05-12 21:54         ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-12 22:15       ` Rick Newbie
2020-05-13 11:07         ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-13 13:23           ` Rick Newbie
2020-05-13 13:45             ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-13 14:58               ` Rick Newbie
2020-05-13 15:31                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-05-13 15:48                   ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-11 21:45   ` gautier_niouzes
2020-05-12 15:56     ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-11 21:55   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2020-05-12 19:16     ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-12 21:27       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2020-05-12 22:20         ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-12 22:39           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2020-05-13  9:36             ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-13 13:52               ` Optikos
2020-05-13 14:05                 ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-13 18:58                   ` Optikos
2020-05-13 20:29                     ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-13 21:02                       ` Optikos
2020-05-13 21:48                         ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-13 22:13                           ` Optikos
2020-05-13  9:54         ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-13  0:25 ` Olivier Henley
2020-05-15 13:23   ` Optikos
2020-05-16  5:01 ` Anatoly Chernyshev
2020-05-28 21:45   ` Optikos
2020-06-11 17:28   ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-11 17:36     ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-11 22:43     ` Anatoly Chernyshev
2020-06-12 12:10       ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-12 12:34         ` Anatoly Chernyshev
2020-06-12 17:36           ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-21  9:18             ` Anatoly Chernyshev
2020-06-22 13:36               ` Olivier Henley
2020-05-16 22:31 ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-16 23:54   ` Optikos
2020-05-17 15:41     ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-17 17:38       ` Optikos
2020-05-17 18:00         ` Simon Wright
2020-05-17 20:56           ` Optikos
2020-05-17 21:20             ` Simon Wright
2020-05-17 21:45               ` Optikos [this message]
2020-05-18  7:34                 ` Simon Wright
2020-05-17 19:20         ` Niklas Holsti
2020-05-17 21:30           ` Optikos
2020-05-24 21:04 ` Bob Goddard
2020-05-31 15:01 ` Azathoth Hastur
2020-06-09  6:30 ` gautier_niouzes
2020-06-11 15:35 ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-11 15:49   ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-11 18:41     ` Anh Vo
2020-06-11 19:58       ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-11 20:41         ` Anh Vo
2020-06-11 20:47           ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-11 21:34             ` Anh Vo
2020-06-11 21:47               ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-11 21:39             ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-11 23:14               ` Anh Vo
2020-06-11 23:30                 ` Jere
2020-06-11 23:55                   ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-12  0:07                 ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-12  0:42                   ` Anh Vo
2020-06-12 11:08                     ` Olivier Henley
2020-06-12  7:03   ` gautier_niouzes
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